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KLXVER said:

Nintendo seems to be held to a different standard. The NX needs to do something the PS4 and XB1 doesnt do in order to be successful it seems.

I 100% disagree. No gimmicks, it will fail.

Even the wii was in the long run for many customer a dissapointment. Many got that system, played some wii sports and mario kart but after just few month they never used the system again. Thats also one of the main reason the wii u failed, people recognised that gimmicks wont do it in the long run. 

 

Also we already have something the Ps4 probl can do in 2017 and the NX cant and thats VR. Im still curios how VR will do though scince i have the feeling it will be similar as the wii. Cool for some weeks, but then forgetable and more annyoing then enjoyable. Thats the thing with all those gimmicks. A standart controller and one screen on your tv is the perfect gaming setup.

Gamers dont wont anything else. They dont want innovations. Look at star fox zero. the main complainment is, that its different then the n64 version. 



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I highly doubt Nintendo is open minded enough for something like Cross play with Sony and MS. The handheld is getting overthrown by mobile and tablets, so mer ging those divisions seems logic. Nintendo also needs a killer app, kind a what was Halo for xbox really. Something new that attracts core gamers and is playable for a 12 year old.  Perhaps a new 3d action adventure title.



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RolStoppable said:
The costs to make such a system sell would be so high that Nintendo would make a loss over the system's lifetime. You should seriously consider to remove the word "not" from the thread title.

Exactly. Those points are basically suggesting it needs to be a 2nd PS4... and this clearly won't work.



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LipeJJ said:
RolStoppable said:
The costs to make such a system sell would be so high that Nintendo would make a loss over the system's lifetime. You should seriously consider to remove the word "not" from the thread title.

Exactly. Those points are basically suggesting it needs to be a 2nd PS4... and this clearly won't work.

IMO its the only thing that works. A ps4 (maybe with little more power) that can be a home console or a handheld (same games) and play all nintendo exclusives.

A new gimmicky cheap console wont work imo. And even if it will work, its not a solution for the long run. Nintendo might still have 1 or 2 great ideas but whats then? What if one innovation turned out not to be so good (wii u). what if they used all their innovations already? To be sucsessfull in the long run they need to release a standart console like ps4/xbox one OR go third party. The rest is impossible.



hoala said:
LipeJJ said:

Exactly. Those points are basically suggesting it needs to be a 2nd PS4... and this clearly won't work.

IMO its the only thing that works. A ps4 (maybe with little more power) that can be a home console or a handheld (same games) and play all nintendo exclusives.

A new gimmicky cheap console wont work imo. And even if it will work, its not a solution for the long run. Nintendo might still have 1 or 2 great ideas but whats then? What if one innovation turned out not to be so good (wii u). what if they used all their innovations already? To be sucsessfull in the long run they need to release a standart console like ps4/xbox one OR go third party. The rest is impossible.

Not really. I don't see this as the only option.

Take a look at the 3DS... it is gimmicky, and its gimmick is not even well received. It doesn't have strong third party support (let's face it, it's decent, but a bunch of small~mid japanese games can't count as "strong" TP support) and yet it sold pretty well. You know why? Because it had a high density of big games from Nintendo. At its first drought during the first year, sales declined a lot. But then Nintendo cut the price and released their big guns in a row... and never stopped releasing then until maybe 2014. That's what helped the 3DS the most, a high density of Nintendo games coupled with a fair price (after the pricecut).

So, in my point of view, NX could be a success by having a decent hardware (as strong as current gen consoles) + a very high density of Nintendo games + a good price. People buy Nintendo consoles mostly for Nintendo games, it would be almost impossible to change that while being in the middle of a generation on top of that. It would be basically impossible to secure 100% of third party support, some devs definitely don't want to develop for Nintendo consoles (like Bethesda), so this is a pipe dream. If Nintendo can guarantee a decent support (japanese games + casual western games + anual franchises like CoD and Fifa), it's more than enough to help the console. Not that this would help it selling much more, but it would fill some eventual gaps between big hitters like Mario Kart and Smash Bros.

That's how I see it, I think it's the best Nintendo can do atm.



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LipeJJ said:

Not really. I don't see this as the only option.

Take a look at the 3DS... it is gimmicky, and its gimmick is not even well received. It doesn't have strong third party support (let's face it, it's decent, but a bunch of small~mid japanese games can't count as "strong" TP support) and yet it sold pretty well. You know why? Because it had a high density of big games from Nintendo. At its first drought during the first year, sales declined a lot. But then Nintendo cut the price and released their big guns in a row... and never stopped releasing then until maybe 2014. That's what helped the 3DS the most, a high density of Nintendo games coupled with a fair price (after the pricecut).

So, in my point of view, NX could be a success by having a decent hardware (as strong as current gen consoles) + a very high density of Nintendo games + a good price. People buy Nintendo consoles mostly for Nintendo games, it would be almost impossible to change that while being in the middle of a generation on top of that. It would be basically impossible to secure 100% of third party support, some devs definitely don't want to develop for Nintendo consoles (like Bethesda), so this is a pipe dream. If Nintendo can guarantee a decent support (japanese games + casual western games + anual franchises like CoD and Fifa), it's more than enough to help the console. Not that this would help it selling much more, but it would fill some eventual gaps between big hitters like Mario Kart and Smash Bros.

That's how I see it, I think it's the best Nintendo can do atm.

The 3ds was a handheld and many people are okay with having a handheld as a secondary console. Thats why it sold decent. Also in the handheld sector is/was no competition (smartphones getting bigger but its still okay).

Doesnt work for the home console market.

Also the 3ds gimmicky didnt helped the 3ds. If the 3ds would be a single screen device without 3D effect but with pokemon, mario kart, mario bros and co for half priece it would very likely be alot more sucsessfull.

 

Im not saying it will work, but its their best chance. Otherwhise they have to go third party.

Macking gimmicky consoles wont work, especially in the long run as soon they run out of ideas.



hoala said:
LipeJJ said:

Not really. I don't see this as the only option.

Take a look at the 3DS... it is gimmicky, and its gimmick is not even well received. It doesn't have strong third party support (let's face it, it's decent, but a bunch of small~mid japanese games can't count as "strong" TP support) and yet it sold pretty well. You know why? Because it had a high density of big games from Nintendo. At its first drought during the first year, sales declined a lot. But then Nintendo cut the price and released their big guns in a row... and never stopped releasing then until maybe 2014. That's what helped the 3DS the most, a high density of Nintendo games coupled with a fair price (after the pricecut).

So, in my point of view, NX could be a success by having a decent hardware (as strong as current gen consoles) + a very high density of Nintendo games + a good price. People buy Nintendo consoles mostly for Nintendo games, it would be almost impossible to change that while being in the middle of a generation on top of that. It would be basically impossible to secure 100% of third party support, some devs definitely don't want to develop for Nintendo consoles (like Bethesda), so this is a pipe dream. If Nintendo can guarantee a decent support (japanese games + casual western games + anual franchises like CoD and Fifa), it's more than enough to help the console. Not that this would help it selling much more, but it would fill some eventual gaps between big hitters like Mario Kart and Smash Bros.

That's how I see it, I think it's the best Nintendo can do atm.

The 3ds was a handheld and many people are okay with having a handheld as a secondary console. Thats why it sold decent. Also in the handheld sector is/was no competition (smartphones getting bigger but its still okay).

Doesnt work for the home console market.

Also the 3ds gimmicky didnt helped the 3ds. If the 3ds would be a single screen device without 3D effect but with pokemon, mario kart, mario bros and co for half priece it would very likely be alot more sucsessfull.

 

Im not saying it will work, but its their best chance. Otherwhise they have to go third party.

Macking gimmicky consoles wont work, especially in the long run as soon they run out of ideas.

I'm not saying it needs to be gimmicky or anything. Just saying it can't be a copy of PS4/XB1 cause that is unlikely to work due to the reasons stated above.

Maybe the "gimmick" this time will rely on the system being both handheld and console? Who knows? If that's the case, I see it as a very positive "gimmick".



Bet with Teeqoz for 2 weeks of avatar and sig control that Super Mario Odyssey would ship more than 7m on its first 2 months. The game shipped 9.07m, so I won

LipeJJ said:

I'm not saying it needs to be gimmicky or anything. Just saying it can't be a copy of PS4/XB1 cause that is unlikely to work due to the reasons stated above.

Maybe the "gimmick" this time will rely on the system being both handheld and console? Who knows? If that's the case, I see it as a very positive "gimmick".

I wont say thats a "gimmick", scince it wont really effect ur gaming expierence. Thats more evolution of hardware. See my point number 4, thats exactly what i want to see from NX.



hoala said:
LipeJJ said:

I'm not saying it needs to be gimmicky or anything. Just saying it can't be a copy of PS4/XB1 cause that is unlikely to work due to the reasons stated above.

Maybe the "gimmick" this time will rely on the system being both handheld and console? Who knows? If that's the case, I see it as a very positive "gimmick".

I wont say thats a "gimmick", scince it wont really effect ur gaming expierence. Thats more evolution of hardware. See my point number 4, thats exactly what i want to see from NX.

Yes, I've seen it. Just disagree with some other points. But anyway, I hope that's the case, and that would definitely change your gaming experience. Your full open world Zelda with pretty graphics could be experienced on the bus, or on the bathroom (and also the other way around) . That's game changing; so far portable games have been similar to 2005 games.



Bet with Teeqoz for 2 weeks of avatar and sig control that Super Mario Odyssey would ship more than 7m on its first 2 months. The game shipped 9.07m, so I won

LipeJJ said:

Yes, I've seen it. Just disagree with some other points. But anyway, I hope that's the case, and that would definitely change your gaming experience. Your full open world Zelda with pretty graphics could be experienced on the bus, or on the bathroom (and also the other way around) . That's game changing; so far portable games have been similar to 2005 games.

Well we already have 3d zelda games on mobile devices (ocarina of time and majoras mask) so its really just about the graphics.

With the PsVita and Remoteplay you can even play games like witcher 3 in the bus (with remote play).

With Gaming-laptops you can play games like Witcher 3 nativly on the go.

Thats why its more an evolution (at least for me) but that may be different difinition of the word gimmick ;)