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Kerotan on 18 April 2016
hershel_layton said:
Kerotan said:

How about America gets it together?  Most of the refugees are coming as a result of Americans meddling in the middle east for the last 30 years.  That's what ISIS is a by product of.  

 

It's all well and good for the Americans to sit on their high horse but you have the Atlantic between you and the Middle East.  We don't and it's very hard to stop refugees.  And besides who can blame them for coming.  

 

I'm completely against mass muslim migration because they don't integrate very well at all,  but let's not fool ourselves about who's to blame. 

^

This. This is great.

Thank you

And the Muslims who hate all westerns are just as bad as the Americans.  

 

Look at Irish people.  800 years of horrible English  acts on the people,  yet did we ever hate all westerners?  No we hated English.  Not even British,  just English.  We still liked the Welsh and the Scots.  

 

So my point is these radical muslims are clowns.  they would do so much bad to so many countries that have no business with them.  Hate America all you want but the minute they go against "all westerners"  they lose all credibility.  



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etking on 18 April 2016

Is the fear of Christians in Arabic countries irrational?
What happens if Christian kids are a minority in schools (in many European schools they already are)?
What happens if Christian citizens become a minority in christian countries?



FIT_Gamer on 18 April 2016

This thread has gone off topic, the thread is about the Arabic language, not about Muslims.



Proxy-Pie on 18 April 2016
LurkerJ said:

ou know what I want to die off? The term "moderate" Muslims.

There is no MODERATE Islam. Just like there is no moderate Christianity.

The only reason moderate Muslims are perceived as moderate is because they omit the parts of Islam that do not fit the 21st century. In other words, they are lazy Muslims who can't bring themselves to live by the holy book and hadith, and sometimes, they can't bring themselves to even read them. 

Lazy is fine. Lazy Christians, who can't bring themselves to even read the bible, didn't stand in the way of moral progress. Muslims becoming lazy, when it comes to religion, is a good thing.

Let's call it as it is, no need for politically correct terms like "moderate Muslims". They are just lazy, and partially unconvinced of their own beliefs.

Lol what are you even talking about. The Quran is a book of context. You can't just read up a few verses and make conclusions. Over a millennium of Islamic scholarship concludes that the verses that are about fighting the infidels or whatever, which, by the way, mostly were spoken by Muhammad for the first time during battles in which Muslims' existence was at a threat, were only related to the battles they experienced and thus the conclusion was that they refer to Muslims fighting only when they're attacked, or when their property (mostly land) is stolen. You're right that there's no moderate Islam. That phrase in itself is offensive. Islam is Islam and you're either a Muslim who follows it right or are somebody who doesn't.



ohmylanta1003 on 18 April 2016
SpokenTruth said:
ohmylanta1003 said:
I'm so sick of these threads. How fucking difficult is it to just talk about video games/other similar forms of entertainment? Instead, you guys like to make and comment on these types of threads and circlejerk with one another about how righteous you all are. Newsflash: your thoughts on these types of topics are not special.

Second newsflash: the way this website is going (buggy, late numbers, and a shitty/off topic forum), I wouldn't be surprised if it died soon. A place like this has so much potential...why can't we help it reach that?

How fucking difficult is it not to read them?

You're turning other users away. Don't you guys get it?!



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ohmylanta1003 on 18 April 2016
Lafiel said:
ohmylanta1003 said:
I'm so sick of these threads. How fucking difficult is it to just talk about video games/other similar forms of entertainment? Instead, you guys like to make and comment on these types of threads and circlejerk with one another about how righteous you all are. Newsflash: your thoughts on these types of topics are not special.

Second newsflash: the way this website is going (buggy, late numbers, and a shitty/off topic forum), I wouldn't be surprised if it died soon. A place like this has so much potential...why can't we help it reach that?

that's your problem, not ours

No. It's the communities problem. Threads like these don't attract new users. No new users plus typical user drop off means the website will eventually die off. This is a VIDEO GAME WEBSITE! Why don't we keep it that way?!



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Veknoid_Outcast on 18 April 2016
MohammadBadir said:
LurkerJ said:

ou know what I want to die off? The term "moderate" Muslims.

There is no MODERATE Islam. Just like there is no moderate Christianity.

The only reason moderate Muslims are perceived as moderate is because they omit the parts of Islam that do not fit the 21st century. In other words, they are lazy Muslims who can't bring themselves to live by the holy book and hadith, and sometimes, they can't bring themselves to even read them. 

Lazy is fine. Lazy Christians, who can't bring themselves to even read the bible, didn't stand in the way of moral progress. Muslims becoming lazy, when it comes to religion, is a good thing.

Let's call it as it is, no need for politically correct terms like "moderate Muslims". They are just lazy, and partially unconvinced of their own beliefs.

Lol what are you even talking about. The Quran is a book of context. You can't just read up a few verses and make conclusions. Over a millennium of Islamic scholarship concludes that the verses that are about fighting the infidels or whatever, which, by the way, mostly were spoken by Muhammad for the first time during battles in which Muslims' existence was at a threat, were only related to the battles they experienced and thus the conclusion was that they refer to Muslims fighting only when they're attacked, or when their property (mostly land) is stolen. You're right that there's no moderate Islam. That phrase in itself is offensive. Islam is Islam and you're either a Muslim who follows it right or are somebody who doesn't.

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JustcallmeRiff on 18 April 2016
Dunban67 said:

 

You are way too influenced by propaganda- think for yourself and don t beleive everything you read- do some real resaerch and form an educated opinion- not the all too lazy,  common and ill informed   "those bad Christians are to blame"       I m a Christian, most people i know are Christians- and I have never heard ONE of them defend a bombing of a clinic or otherwise - weathere the person agreed w abortion or not  and there are MANY Christian groups ORgs etc that condem such actions publicly and many more that would if the line to do so was not already so long-     Same can t be said of Muslim orgs and groups when the far more common muslim/middle east based terrorist groups commit terorist act s of violence -  tthere are a few that coe out against it but you won t see or here nearly the same outcry/condemnation from them

I hope many of the young people on these boards outgrow some or all the propaganda they are fed in many colleges and most media outlests these days and think for themselvs

Good we can agree that the biggest and most powerful Christian voices in the media condone and encourage Christian terrorism and are nothing but propaganda. I believe you when you say you have never defended Christian terrorism but have you ever found " a camera and a mic and condem" Christian terrorism? When you do research from FBI's counterterrorism Southern Poverty Law Center and several others you find out Christian extremists have killed far more people in America in the last 15 years than Muslim extremists. Muslim terrorism is far more publicized then Christian terrorism not far more common.



vivster on 18 April 2016
SpokenTruth said:
vivster said:
Do you know what the word irrational means?

Where is the rationality in fearing a language?

That's my point.



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LurkerJ on 18 April 2016
MohammadBadir said:
LurkerJ said:

ou know what I want to die off? The term "moderate" Muslims.

There is no MODERATE Islam. Just like there is no moderate Christianity.

The only reason moderate Muslims are perceived as moderate is because they omit the parts of Islam that do not fit the 21st century. In other words, they are lazy Muslims who can't bring themselves to live by the holy book and hadith, and sometimes, they can't bring themselves to even read them. 

Lazy is fine. Lazy Christians, who can't bring themselves to even read the bible, didn't stand in the way of moral progress. Muslims becoming lazy, when it comes to religion, is a good thing.

Let's call it as it is, no need for politically correct terms like "moderate Muslims". They are just lazy, and partially unconvinced of their own beliefs.

Lol what are you even talking about. The Quran is a book of context. You can't just read up a few verses and make conclusions. Over a millennium of Islamic scholarship concludes that the verses that are about fighting the infidels or whatever, which, by the way, mostly were spoken by Muhammad for the first time during battles in which Muslims' existence was at a threat, were only related to the battles they experienced and thus the conclusion was that they refer to Muslims fighting only when they're attacked, or when their property (mostly land) is stolen. You're right that there's no moderate Islam. That phrase in itself is offensive. Islam is Islam and you're either a Muslim who follows it right or are somebody who doesn't.

First of all, I don't think those verses are the only controversial verses found in the Quran, and you will be happy to know that those verses are not the ones that put me off Islam as a whole.

It's been a while since I read the Quran or the Bible, but here is one thing to entertain "Moderate" Muslims by; I can't think of a sin that warrents eternal punishment.

Believers do actually know what eternal punishment means, right?

1. Open a new empty notepad on your PC right now

2. Tap on number "1" once

3. Click and hold number "0" for an hour

Do you see that number in front of you? Well, that number is still much smaller than eternity.

Eternal hell is mentioned multiple times in the Quran. Allah has promised to punish some sinful humans by throwing them in hell for eternity.

I can't think of a single sin that warrents such punishment. You can rape newly-born babies for 60 years and I still wouldn't throw you in hell for 60 years, let alone eternity. 

Kill by the millions, torture the weak, steal, burn animals with fire and I still wouldn't sentence you in hell for eternity. A punishment I can't possibly think of as moderate or just.

This whole "I am gonna make weak ignorant humans and test them, and punish them or reward them based on their actions" game Allah has created can nevere be seen as moderate under any light. Especially when Allah says: "We did indeed offer the trust (freedom of choice)to the heavens and the earth and the mountains, but they refused to bear it,and were afraid of it. But the human being accepted it; surely he is unjust,ignorant.". I don't ever remember accepting such a sick deal as a human in the first place. That's not what I think a moderate religion is. Making humans intentionally ignorant and punish some of them with eternal hell? Not moderate.

And let's pretend that there aren't wildy disturbing phrases about homosexuals, slavery, women and what should do just because they are women. Please don't tell me "you don't understand what these phrases really mean". Like it or not, Gay Arabs can't be openly gay in most Arabic countries and it's because of Islam and the Quran. Like it or not, there are entire fiqh books discuss slavery in Islam, how slaves should treated, the rights and the duties of the slaves under Sharia law.

I don't want dive deeper, I am largerly off-topic.

The point I want to make? Islam needs heavily twisted interpretation to look "moderate", and if those twisted interpretations lead to a better world, I am all for it. It happened (still happening?) to Christianity and the world has been better off since then, that doesn't make Christianity a moderate religion by any means.