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Ryng on 17 April 2016
Farsala said:
Ryng_Tolu said:

 

End of 2015:

US Wii U >5m, Vita < 2.5m / >2.5m gap

Japan Wii U > 3m, Vita < 4.6m / < 1.6m gap

JP+US = Wii U by >900K

About Spain, last Wii U numbers we have are back in December 2013, which have Wii U at > 80k. No way is only a bit over 100k in 2015, it's most likely over 200k. While Vita was at 600k, not 700k in June.

In France and Germany Wii U sold 1.43 million, i hardly see PSV that high since we know it sold only 60,000 in France in 2015.

As for China, Vita sold some insignificant numbers like 20k in one month according to an estimate... even if we say now is 100k, that's still very poor.

Vita is definitely not less then 2.5m as I stated in this post: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=7855123

As for Spain my bad , but it is obvious that the gap is more then 500k there. Wii U sold 100k in 2 years and likely  has not improved. http://www.gamereactor.eu/news/264764/PS4+smashes+Xbox+One+and+Wii+U+in+Spain/

By end of 2015 I believe 700k vita vs 200k Spain is reasonable. Portugal also acts similarly to Spain and adds more lead to Vita.

Vita sales are probably equal to Wii U in Germany since it is Sony dominated.

France is more Nintendo dominated. How much more do you think Wii U sold then Vita in France? I do not think it can close the gap of Spain.

And you ignored Latin America, especially the large markets of Brazil and Mexico. Do you actually think Wii U has a lead there? Mexico market is about as big as Spain so the potential sales difference there could be quite vast.

Honestly, Germany is Sony land only if we talk about PS4. there are no source for say Vita is doing well.

Though, just look at the software chart. I mean, in TOP 100, there are always ZERO Vita games. Even a console like XBO, which is doinbg terrible, has at least something like 5 games in TOP 100, or depend what week we talking about (usually between 3-8 games btw).

Last week

So i honestly don't see Vita at Wii U level. I even doubt Vita is at XBO levels to be honest...

About France, i can't remember the link, but i'm sure i saw an estimate which have Vita at something like 90k or so in France in 2013. Was under XB1, and XB1 was in the market for only 2 months. That's why i think is likely both Wii U / XBO are over Vita in both Germany and France...

Can't say by how much, but it seem that at least in France, the difference must be big, both are over 700K.

 

For the rest, Brazil/Mexico, i can't see massive sales here. Not so much for close the gap. I think there is no way for talk about numbers, i just don't see great sales here, Sony or not Sony domination.

 

That said, for Vita WW sales, i use CESA estimate, which have PSV at 9.76 million shipped by end of 2015, and 10.21 million by March 2015.

Wii U was at 12.60 million by end of 2015, i can't see Vita over this.



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Farsala on 17 April 2016
RolStoppable said:
Farsala said:

@bold how much more do you think France/ Germany Wii U sold compared to Vita?

The Spanish (and Portugese) gap cannot be ignored in terms of total Europe sales. It would be hard for Wii U to topple that with the other countries.

The difference between Brazil and Netherlands/switzerland is that Brazil is a much bigger market. Brazil/Mexico/ China are decently big markets and surely have Vita leads.

@italics even if this shipment gap is true, it would only point to Europe as being stronger for Vita then Wii U due to the vast difference in sales in the US.

1. A lot more, as in a bigger gap than between Wii U and Vita in Spain. The German software charts show the top 100. It should be clear that a system that can't even get one title into such an extensive list is not in good shape at all.

I am not saying that the Vita doesn't have leads in Brazil, Mexico and China, but the Wii U has big leads in three of the biggest markets: USA, France, Germany.

2. I haven't done the maths to verify your assertion, but it's very much possible that the Wii U can be ahead of the Vita worldwide by doing better in the USA, but worse in Japan and Europe. The Vita should be ahead in Europe, but it's obviously behind in the whole of America, and notably at that.

1. Trick question: http://www.latribune.fr/technos-medias/20150210trib562875d47/jeux-video-retour-a-la-croissance-pour-un-marche-francais-tire-par-les-consoles.html

So no the gap is not bigger then Spain.

Ryng said Vita sold 60k in 2015, so the sales are Wii U 742k and Vita 510k. Now France is much more Nintendo savy then Germany so the gap would be smaller there.



Farsala on 17 April 2016
Ryng_Tolu said:
Farsala said:

Vita is definitely not less then 2.5m as I stated in this post: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=7855123

As for Spain my bad , but it is obvious that the gap is more then 500k there. Wii U sold 100k in 2 years and likely  has not improved. http://www.gamereactor.eu/news/264764/PS4+smashes+Xbox+One+and+Wii+U+in+Spain/

By end of 2015 I believe 700k vita vs 200k Spain is reasonable. Portugal also acts similarly to Spain and adds more lead to Vita.

Vita sales are probably equal to Wii U in Germany since it is Sony dominated.

France is more Nintendo dominated. How much more do you think Wii U sold then Vita in France? I do not think it can close the gap of Spain.

And you ignored Latin America, especially the large markets of Brazil and Mexico. Do you actually think Wii U has a lead there? Mexico market is about as big as Spain so the potential sales difference there could be quite vast.

Honestly, Germany is Sony land only if we talk about PS4. there are no source for say Vita is doing well.

Though, just look at the software chart. I mean, in TOP 100, there are always ZERO Vita games. Even a console like XBO, which is doinbg terrible, has at least something like 5 games in TOP 100, or depend what week we talking about (usually between 3-8 games btw).

Last week

So i honestly don't see Vita at Wii U level. I even doubt Vita is at XBO levels to be honest...

About France, i can't remember the link, but i'm sure i saw an estimate which have Vita at something like 90k or so in France in 2013. Was under XB1, and XB1 was in the market for only 2 months. That's why i think is likely both Wii U / XBO are over Vita in both Germany and France...

Can't say by how much, but it seem that at least in France, the difference must be big, both are over 700K.

 

For the rest, Brazil/Mexico, i can't see massive sales here. Not so much for close the gap. I think there is no way for talk about numbers, i just don't see great sales here, Sony or not Sony domination.

 

That said, for Vita WW sales, i use CESA estimate, which have PSV at 9.76 million shipped by end of 2015, and 10.21 million by March 2015.

Wii U was at 12.60 million by end of 2015, i can't see Vita over this.

As with Rol, it was a trick question. http://www.latribune.fr/technos-medias/20150210trib562875d47/jeux-video-retour-a-la-croissance-pour-un-marche-francais-tire-par-les-consoles.html

You say 700k gap but the gap is smaller then Spain.

You said Vita sold 60k in 2015, so the sales are Wii U 742k and Vita 510k. Now France is much more Nintendo savy then Germany so the gap would be smaller there IMO.

I think the vita/ Wii U gaps in Mexico and Brazil would be similar to the gaps in France and Germany.



Ryng on 17 April 2016
Farsala said:
Ryng_Tolu said:

Honestly, Germany is Sony land only if we talk about PS4. there are no source for say Vita is doing well.

Though, just look at the software chart. I mean, in TOP 100, there are always ZERO Vita games. Even a console like XBO, which is doinbg terrible, has at least something like 5 games in TOP 100, or depend what week we talking about (usually between 3-8 games btw).

Last week

So i honestly don't see Vita at Wii U level. I even doubt Vita is at XBO levels to be honest...

About France, i can't remember the link, but i'm sure i saw an estimate which have Vita at something like 90k or so in France in 2013. Was under XB1, and XB1 was in the market for only 2 months. That's why i think is likely both Wii U / XBO are over Vita in both Germany and France...

Can't say by how much, but it seem that at least in France, the difference must be big, both are over 700K.

 

For the rest, Brazil/Mexico, i can't see massive sales here. Not so much for close the gap. I think there is no way for talk about numbers, i just don't see great sales here, Sony or not Sony domination.

 

That said, for Vita WW sales, i use CESA estimate, which have PSV at 9.76 million shipped by end of 2015, and 10.21 million by March 2015.

Wii U was at 12.60 million by end of 2015, i can't see Vita over this.

As with Rol, it was a trick question. http://www.latribune.fr/technos-medias/20150210trib562875d47/jeux-video-retour-a-la-croissance-pour-un-marche-francais-tire-par-les-consoles.html

You say 700k gap but the gap is smaller then Spain.

You said Vita sold 60k in 2015, so the sales are Wii U 742k and Vita 510k. Now France is much more Nintendo savy then Germany so the gap would be smaller there IMO.

I think the vita/ Wii U gaps in Mexico and Brazil would be similar to the gaps in France and Germany.

Oh fuck, now i remember, i can't believe i forgot Vita was at < 450K by end of 2015. Thanks for rememb me this.

...Well, wanna be honest with you, i'm a bit bored don't get me wrong, is always nice talk with you since you use math in you'r consideration and argue, i have just other thing to do right now, maybe we will back in this argument.

 

So, in conclusion:

What i believe is that the markets where Wii U is lead (US + some Europe countries) is bigger than the difference in the countries Vita is lead (Japan + some Europe countries + some other countries in rest of world)

 

Shipments estimate make me thing that Wii U is over Vita.



Viktor on 17 April 2016
COKTOE said:
I like Nintendo. In the sense that I respect their body of work in software, and to a lesser extent, hardware, even though I have not purchased a Nintendo product in 9 years.....cough. Having said that, it gives me a jeans-ripping erection to see how wrong some of the Nintendo-centric predictions were among the more Nintendo-centric VG members. In 3 months the Wii-U will overtake the Vita? How about never? I'll bet on never. Any takers?

WiiU will get a successor, while PSV ...



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Farsala on 17 April 2016
RolStoppable said:
Farsala said:

1. Trick question: http://www.latribune.fr/technos-medias/20150210trib562875d47/jeux-video-retour-a-la-croissance-pour-un-marche-francais-tire-par-les-consoles.html

So no the gap is not bigger then Spain.

Ryng said Vita sold 60k in 2015, so the sales are Wii U 742k and Vita 510k. Now France is much more Nintendo savy then Germany so the gap would be smaller there.

It has already been pointed out that Vita software doesn't chart in Germany, so your logic doesn't quite hold up. In order for it to be true, you would need any sort of evidence that Vita in Germany is equal to or greater than Vita in France.

But instead of focusing on guesswork for individual countries, it's better to look at worldwide shipments. The Wii U has continually caught up (Vita launched about a year earlier, had a ~3m headstart), so why should it be out of the question that it has passed the Vita by the end of December 2015?

That source is a legit source and shows actual differences in hardware, unlike your guess of greater gap then Spain. 

Your arguments of the software is somewhat odd since Vita is older then the Wii U and does not have support in the west anymore. Most Vita sales were in 2012, 2013 and 1st half of 2014. It is a shame we don't have Vita shipments but the very little sales sources we get show Vita is competitive with Wii U in terms of sales.

It is clear Wii U is gaining in Germany, US, and France in 2016 But the lead Vita had varies per country. If I had a gaf account, I could dig up a bunch of posts showing historical sales data between the two. But I don't so I can only cherry pick.

For example: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=67988416&postcount=121

(Q1 2012) 160k Vita to 0 Wii U software. About equal 110k in 2013 which was a drop from 2012. Should be obvious Vita got most of its lead from 2012 not 2016.



Platina on 17 April 2016

It would depend on when the NX comes out and if there is a price cut

Still possible that it may not happen at all too



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Jranation on 17 April 2016
MikeRox said:
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Well easy way is for Sony to give Da DATA. 

Nah, it's much more fun to see people get worked up over things with no data :p

 

Just like with the NX! 

Without any REAL information. People will just continually make predictions and rumors about it. 



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Farsala on 17 April 2016

@Rol more tidbits here from Nintendo themselves.

http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/en/stock/meeting/130627qa/img/slide03_l.jpg
http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/en/stock/meeting/130627qa/img/slide04_l.jpg
http://images.nintendolife.com/news/2013/10/satoru_iwata_highlights_a_strengthening_worldwide_market_share_for_3ds/attachment/1/original.jpg
https://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/en/library/events/130131/img/26l.jpg
http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/en/library/events/131031/img/09l.jpg

Most have Vita over Wii U in months/years for Europe and total. If Nintendo has more months of these charts that would be great. 2012-2014 Vita grew quite the lead.



Farsala on 17 April 2016
RolStoppable said:
Farsala said:

That source is a legit source and shows actual differences in hardware, unlike your guess of greater gap then Spain. 

Your arguments of the software is somewhat odd since Vita is older then the Wii U and does not have support in the west anymore. Most Vita sales were in 2012, 2013 and 1st half of 2014. It is a shame we don't have Vita shipments but the very little sales sources we get show Vita is competitive with Wii U in terms of sales.

It is clear Wii U is gaining in Germany, US, and France in 2016 But the lead Vita had varies per country. If I had a gaf account, I could dig up a bunch of posts showing historical sales data between the two. But I don't so I can only cherry pick.

For example: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=67988416&postcount=121

(Q1 2012) 160k Vita to 0 Wii U software. About equal 110k in 2013 which was a drop from 2012. Should be obvious Vita got most of its lead from 2012 not 2016.

Wait a second, were you talking about France and Germany individually all this time? Because I wasn't. What I was saying is Wii U in France+Germany+Spain > Vita in France+Germany+Spain, but Vita > Wii U in Europe as a whole.

I mentioned software (for Germany) because if software doesn't show up, then who would be buying the hardware? If there's any notable amount of hardware being sold, then at least some software would have to chart every now and then in a list that shows 100 entries per week.

The sales sources we have show that the Vita is competitive during the first ten months of the year, but it's losing a lot of ground in November and December.

So what about worldwide shipments? Do you think the Vita is still ahead?

Sources say Vita France+Germany+Spain> Wii U  France+Germany+Spain. Mostly because of Spain.

 @bold Wii U is outselling Vita in 2016 and probably 2015 due to the software.

See above images for Vita outselling Wii U by quite a bit in Spain, Italy, UK, Belgium and staying even in Germany, France, Netherlands. Now with software drought on Vita the Wii U is outselling the Vita in Germany, France and Netherlands, but it probably has not beaten it in Spain, Italy, UK, Belgium.

I think Vita Worldwide shipments are ahead, it simply is in more countries then the Wii U so it probably has more standing stock then Wii U.