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ZhugeEX said:
Aeolus451 said:
Never heard of 'em. Trying to make a name for themselves, I guess.

 

They have a huge number of very important clients. They've already made a name for themselves. 

You mean huge number of suckers? Where have they made a name for themselves? I haven't seen or heard about them in any gaming articles, mags or in any news. Since they give estimates on gaming hardware, one might expect their numbers referenced in something at the very lease. Hell, people here quote neogaf threads as a source for a "relaible" source of info. Why is this the first I seen of 'em on here? 



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Ryng_Tolu said:
Farsala said:
Vita 10m: Vita has ~9m official numbers, mostly JP,US,Spain. Would be hard to believe it sold 1m in the remaining countries...

Japan = 4.85m

USA = We have not NPD since a lot of times, but was >2m by end of 2014, should be >2.5m now.

Spain = 600K (As for June 2015)

 

JP+US+SPA have confirmed > 7.5 million. Though i agree 10m for Vita seem too low.

I am being generous for assuming Germany, France, UK being close to 500k and Spain of course being higher then 600k. With all that it would be ~9m. But the official numbers are only US/JP/Spain. With US/JP I agree. Though it seems 2m is only vita and Vita tv sold ~187k LTD Feb 2016 with most coming from 2015 or before.



Aeolus451 said:
ZhugeEX said:

 

They have a huge number of very important clients. They've already made a name for themselves. 

You mean huge number of suckers? Where have they made a name for themselves? I haven't seen or heard about them in any gaming articles, mags or in any news. Since they give estimates on gaming hardware, one might expect their numbers referenced in something at the very lease. Hell, people here quote neogaf threads as a source for a "relaible" source of info. Why is this the first I seen of 'em on here? 

 

Because you clearly don't work in the games Industry or in a role where their services would be of use. 

They offer considerably more than just video game sales estimates. They sell and position their services to publishers and other companies working in the games industry. Not to consumers. 

 



That Xone number seems a bit too high. As inaccurate as Vgchartz can be, I actually find that number to likely be more accurate. There's not a huge discrepancy, but the EEDAR may just be overestimating the demand worldwide for the system, which is, um, yeah.

I think EA's estimate of 55 million between Xone and PS4 was more likely, given the info we have. 

 



ZhugeEX said:
Aeolus451 said:

You mean huge number of suckers? Where have they made a name for themselves? I haven't seen or heard about them in any gaming articles, mags or in any news. Since they give estimates on gaming hardware, one might expect their numbers referenced in something at the very lease. Hell, people here quote neogaf threads as a source for a "relaible" source of info. Why is this the first I seen of 'em on here? 

 

Because you clearly don't work in the games Industry or in a role where their services would be of use. 

They offer considerably more than just video game sales estimates. They sell and position their services to publishers and other companies working in the games industry. Not to consumers. 

 

How off are they on the 3DS again? 



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EEDAR also used to give hardware predictions before every NPD but if I recall correctly VGC was often more accurate. And at some point EEDAR and VGC worked together on some things but I don't remember what.



Jranation said:
ZhugeEX said:

 

They estimate 12m Wii U Vs 10m PS Vita

 

Oh wow! 

 

That is a huge difference compared to VGChartz...... Which one is more reliable? 

Without the misguided adjustment up of 1.4m (most of it went in Europe numbers) by vgc back in April '15 due to a misunderstaning of some news, probably, psv would be  at 11m here by that time and the whateve error wouldn't be huge ! Plus that, this fact has inflated the sales tracking of the following weeks trough the year and still does ( Thanks to that, we had psv selling suddenly x2 compared to last year, without a reason, as no price drop or major game release took place...)

PSV is overtracked, that's a common secret, it has been  proved two times by me but not in  the most official way...

Firstly, with the news about 82.3m psp in an interview... Before sony started combining psp with psv, their shipment total was 76.3m and 1.8m respectively, which sums up 79.1m, then there were 14.4m psp+psv shipped as of March 2015 (of which 6m are psps and 8.4m are psvs)... Do the Maths... PSP 82.3-76.3= 6m psp 14.4m-6m=8.4m psv, 1.8m+8.4m-10.2m as of March 2015... Nevertheless, this was doubted by some people who considered that the journalist fabricated the number of psp and not  educed it from the sony executive who by the way, was obviously asked about sales, but didn't say  anything about psv  but also t's isn't clarified if he mentioned anything for psp (other than stating that he gave  as a present  the last psp  33 units in the USA),  howbeit we can safely assume it.

Therefore we couldn't be certain for this  thesis... Apropos, vgc had psv at 10m by that time which became 11.4m later.

In the second place, we got a report of estimated shipments in late 2015, by a Japanese big  video games marketing firm, named cesa, who helds Japan VGAs and tokyo game show, which claiming that there  were 9.76m psv shipped by the end of 2014, which adds up with the extrapolation by the previous news pertaining to psp lifetime sales ( Allow me, to explain it: In the first calendar quarter of 2015, sony shipped 440k psp+psv, psp was almost discontinued it everywhere then, hence it represents an extremely tiny number of this figure,  if you  add the 440k official figure of shipments in FY14 Q4, to the 9.76m estimated shipment LTD as of december 2014, it equals to 10.2m, which obviously substantiates the first theory which is based to the allegdly made up 82.3m psp LT figure... .

(Vgc had psv at 9.36m in  the time interval that cesa report refers to. )

Again, some people disputed  my findings, ( by downplaying the company and its competence by saying that is as much as reliable as vgc can be), noting that is just an estimate, a technical one though,  let me point out! We're talking about a company which has relations with all Japanese video game corporations...

As for EEDAAR it seems to have insider infos (lets wait for someone expert in this, who is capable of enlightening us about it.)    Of course we won't take it as  gospel since it's not official, or it's a more official '''vgc'' (add to  that they have made a glaring mistake with 3DS, given Nintendo's shipment data) ergo you could just  spurn them, with such a mistake, which might be an innocent mistake, or omission, like not including New 3ds/xl, 2ds)! Although all other consoles numbers are about similar with vgc (diffencies are from 1m and under), except 3ds and psv which sans the adjustment up by  vgc, the discrepancy betwen them would be under reasonably.

In conclusion, eedaar might be another proof for what we debating for a long time, having said that, I do think that they considerably undertracking psv ( I could elaborate,  but I have written so much at yet, don't wanna expatiate anymore.)

Anyway, no matter what EDAAR shows ( which isn't a random organism, albeit perhaps not with the best reliability) , I would trust vgc numbers for psv, before the adjustment up more ( it would likely be about 11m), since they were matching somehow the deducted shipment numbers.



Farsala said:
Ryng_Tolu said:

Japan = 4.85m

USA = We have not NPD since a lot of times, but was >2m by end of 2014, should be >2.5m now.

Spain = 600K (As for June 2015)

 

JP+US+SPA have confirmed > 7.5 million. Though i agree 10m for Vita seem too low.

I am being generous for assuming Germany, France, UK being close to 500k and Spain of course being higher then 600k. With all that it would be ~9m. But the official numbers are only US/JP/Spain. With US/JP I agree. Though it seems 2m is only vita and Vita tv sold ~187k LTD Feb 2016 with most coming from 2015 or before.

We are getting into estimate now though.

My post was just for saying the real official data from those countries was >7.5m. :)

 

...Anyway, i like talk about estimate so why not :p i think USA is >2.5m right now (), cause it was < 2.1m by end of 2014 and sold 377,000 that year. I think 2015 could be flat since December 2014 was for some reason not that bad for Vita, but the first two month (Jan / Feb) was up YOY by a good margin too.

Though i talk about NOW, not 2015. Probabily < 2.5m LT in 2015, then.

About Europe, eh very strange to say with those Spain numbers. We know Vita did only 60,000 in France in 2015, which mean most likely Spain > France sales even if France is way bigger market.

We just can't say nothing about UK and Germany... I live in Italy, here Vita almost don't exist. no idea about sales but i really doubt they are good.



Boutros said:
EEDAR also used to give hardware predictions before every NPD but if I recall correctly VGC was often more accurate. And at some point EEDAR and VGC worked together on some things but I don't remember what.

Yup, all analyst/research firms release projections for NPD/future sales these days. Of course these projections are only available to clients and only very rarely are they released publicly. 



Completely wrong