There's zero indication to indicate that a 6-7 year console lifecycle isn't going to happen with the PS4.

I've already been over why it actually would be a big waste of money and would severely eat into Sony's profits to make an upgraded console. We've also gone over why the New 3DS is actually a terrible example, and you should really stop using it as example of why this could work for Sony or MS. If anything, the poor reception of the New 3DS should make Sony and MS more hesitant to make an upgraded console.

I don't think the New 3DS reception is poor. But I guess we hear what we want to hear. I mean Xenoblade sold considerably better than you presumed. I'm sure people playing Hyrule Warriors and Monster Hunter 4 prefer playing it on New 3DS specs as well.

You speak solely on the business end. However, we are both consumers and I'm saying what I would like as a consumer. A more powerful GPU for more polished games isn't unrealistic request in a future model.

So your idea of good reception is that the people that bought it used it as intended in some cases. Sure people would prefer playing Hyrule Warriors on the new 3DS. That doesn't mean they're happy with their purchase if that's the only game in their library they bought in the last two years that actually uses the hardware. I mean I purchased a PS Tv for $12 new and it worked pretty well for the two games I own that worked on it, but i still think I overpayed by spending $12 on it. The interface is borderline unusable and PS Vita apps don't work on it for literally no reason.  So great, it plays some PS Vita games, but it was not positively recieved by me, or pretty much anyone else. That's why I got the PS TV for 85% off in the first place.

You also think the 3DS reception was positive because Xenoblade Chronicles sales were actually just sort of okay, but not good, instead of horrendously bad. 500K sales on a platform that has over 10 million in sales when games like Mario Maker and Splatoon are each selling 7-8 times that amount on a similar install base is not good.

It's fine and dandy to want to own something, and it's fine dandy to think your request is reasonable because you don't understand what it takes to actually make that request a reality. An upgradable console might seem reasonable to you, but I have demonstrated that from the business and developer perspective that your expectation actually is not reasonable. And you just keep saying "well i still want it, so they should still do it".

This is utterly pointless.

Well a benefit X1 and PS4 have that 3DS lack is lots of notable support. Not even OG 3DS has a lot of support. So if you're gonna complain about lack of games that has less to do with New 3DS and more to do with 3DS support in general. As I pointed out before, not a lot of games take advantage of OG 3DS as is.

For a port and the genre, I think Xenoblade did pretty good. Not really fair to compare a game like that to major IPs like Mario Maker and Splatoon. Its not like the original release of Xenoblade did amazing numbers on a large userbase.

Calm down, you're exagerating how big my request is. And I'm only making that request if this is another long generation. Again, you speak as a business man but you're just a consumer.

I'm not just a consumer. I am a console video game developer. I make console video games for a living. This stuff actually affects me and my job. So forgive me for looking at it from a business perspective when console video games are in fact my business.

This is ridiculous. The New 3DS is such a poor example of how this model can be successful because such a tiny percentage of developers support the increased hardware spec. If there were only 10 games that came out after the New 3DS was released, and 9 of them used the additional power then I would say that the platform was supported by the developers of that platform. Its the same reason why I say the Expansion Pak was a failure. Hundreds of games came out for the N64 after the Expansion Pak was released. At $40 it couldn't be cheaper, and since it only improved the consoles memory, the extra work to support it was minimal. And yet still only a small fraction of developers supported it. But there were some games that were better as a result so that was successful in your eyes!

Just curious, why do you think Splatoon is a major IP and Xenoblade Chronicles isn't? Ohh right. I know the answer. It's because Splatoon sold millions of copies. Before Splatoon was released, many people predicted it would sell worse than Xenoblade Chronicles for Wii U. So how can you possibly say that Splatoon was suddenly a huge IP before launch?


I'm not exaggerating how big your request is.  That's the problem.  It's like the fools who literally think you can just make a game engine scale to the specifications of the hardware by adjusting a few sliders. There's no reasoning with these people because they actually do not understand how complex of a task you're actually asking. You  do not understand just how unfeasible it is. You do not understand how bad of an idea it actually is. You refuse to accept that every single time a console maker has tried it, they did not once get the results they hoped for, and there is no reason to expect it to be any different this time. In fact most, if not all ended up losing money on the endeavour considering the lack of acceptance of that platform. You refuse to accept that in this day and age, with the complexity and costs of making video games being higher than it ever has before that most developers will flatout ignore the additional hardware just as most of them have in the past because there is literally zero reason to think that supporting the additional hardware will justify that additional expenditure in additional sales.

You just look at the handful of games that take advantage of it on the N64 and New 3DS and say "look! those games are better with the additional hardware, and I want a PS4/X1 that can play current games better, so they should do that again". And that's the entire crux of your argument. You couldn't care less about how bad of an idea it is because you want it.

It reminds me a lot of the clients of my friend who is a certified electrician. He gets a call from a customer, goes on site and does an estimate for say, wiring up a garage that was built onto the side of the house. Because the house was old, the circuit breaker doesn't have the capacity additional load, which means his estimate includes a sourcing and installing a new circuitbreaker, and since a new circuitbreaker is installed it has to be brought up to code, so additional work has to be done to ensure the latest codes are met. That's the law. So he gives a quote and it's about 5 times higher than they expected it, and they flip out. They thought the job was just going to run a few wires, and install some some light switches and light sockets and power outlets, and hook up the heaters. They don't understand why they need a new breaker since they haven't had any problems with the old one, and they definitely don't understand, the additional work to bring everything up to code. But at the end of the day, that doesn't matter, because that additional work still needs to be done. Just because they didn't understand the true complexity of the job doesn't mean their initial expectations were reasonable in the face of reality. It doesn't matter if they're still convinced their expectations were reasonable. They're still going to need a new circuitbreaker. They're still going to need the additional work. That wiring job is still going to cost 5 times what they thought it should.

See what I'm saying? There's more to this than you think. Just because you refuse to accept it doesn't change the reality of the situation.

PS. Your "another long generation" is one year longer than every other Sony generation before it. You want a PS4K because you're thoo impatient to wait additional one year for hardware than you have in the past. Of course this is just further evidence that you really haven't thought this through.

Ah, okay. Then just make games for the old specs if they do an upgrade.

Problem solved! But I'm still open to the idea to the idea of improved specs.

Hey seriously, how about you just back off. I'm telling you would I'd like to see as a consumer. I don't really care how that affects your personal situation. I'm not gonna deny my interest in improved consoles because of potato_hamster.

I'm not going to apologize for telling you that while it might be nice for you to want an upgraded console, your expectations are not realistic. It doesn't matter how many times you say you want it, it doesn't matter how much you want it to happen, it's still not going to happen like you want it to.

Sometimes you just need to let bad ideas go.

No apology necessary, just lay off.

You're getting upset simply because I'm interested in upgraded specs down the road. If its ever done and executed in a way I don't want, oh well.

In a sense I'm just saying I like the idea of something like New 3DS and I like what it does for games that support it. But if not done right, it could end badly.