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Abortion. What do?

It should be legal and available. 82 71.30%
 
Illegal cuz murder, but let mothers murder 7 6.09%
 
Illegal, punish everyone who murders 11 9.57%
 
Illegal for some other reason 15 13.04%
 
Total:115

So why death sentence is still aviable in US ? because murder a adult human is good but a fetus not ?

Anyway i am happy to not live in a country who is or want make this illegal.

Each women should choice with her husband if both want abortion i see no problem, earth is already over populated anyway.



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KingofTrolls said:
Final-Fan said:

This thread is dedicated to exploring the question of whether, should the law in the United States change such that abortion is illegal (due presumably to the judgment that a human fetus is always a person), a woman who goes to an abortionist to have an abortion should be punished along with the abortionist for the crime of committing abortion.  It seems to me that pretty clearly the answer would have to be yes, and I suspect you would agree with that determination.  Is that so? 

What is the big deal ? - drive to airport, fly to other countries, do it, go back. Some time ago I read that there are about 10mln " tourist " that flied to other countries, even if abortion is legal in their countries, to avoid social stigma.

The problem what I wanted to discuss, is not relevant ( as u said ). 

For many people, that would be a very expensive thing to do, or even impossible in some cases. 



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There is no defense for Trump's original statement. Not in THIS century, anyways.



Eh, I'd say a fetus is an "eventual" baby. A sperm, or an egg, is a "potential" baby. When you have a fetus, the process of growing into an individual, with thoughts, dreams, and emotions has already begun. 

EDIT: As for Trump, there is absolutely no way you can calll abortion "murder" and not punish the mother for it. Doing so would be clearly contradicting your own moral code. His answer was the only correct one he could have given without some major backtracking on the spot.



We should arrest men every time they jack off. Just as ridiculous as punishing abortion.

What is up with pro-lifers thinking abortion is something people do for fun? It's not something any woman WANTS to do. She RESORTS to it.



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I think most of you are missing the point of the OPs argument. He's not asking if you think embryos and fetuses are living humans, he's asking if punishing acts of abortion is justifiable SUPPOSING the anti-abortion position about embryos and fetuses is correct.



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I absolutely do not agree with Trump when it comes to punishment. 

I view life to be precious.  I don't like abortion.  I don't like how a lot of the people that don't like abortion seem to prize anti-abortion over life.  "I'm pro-life, but I am perfectly okay with you dying in war or dying of starvation."  I don't agree with that.  

There is a point when the fetus is viable to live outside the womb, at that point the grounds for being allowed to kill it, is basically where it is.  If it's right here, it's okay to kill it; but the second it comes out it's illegal.  That doesn't make a lot of sense. "yes you can kill the dog in the cage, but take it out before killing it, that's animal cruelty."

Personally don't think that anyone who gets an abortion should be punished. 

You, sir, are exactly what this thread is looking for! 

You don't like abortion.  Is that just your personal choice, or do you want to make it illegal for everyone?  If doing an abortion is against the law, why should we not punish people who break the law?  More broadly, why should anything be against the law that there is no punishment for doing anyway (breaking the law)? 

(P.S.  I actually agree with you about the viability argument for when it is/isn't okay to abort.  I believe it's about how mentally developed the fetus is.  If science advances to make a 400-celled blastocyst "viable", that doesn't make it a person to me.  For you, it is a person and the fact that it isn't viable with today's science doesn't make it not a person.  I agree with that logic.) 



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Of course they should be punished.

Even today abortions are illegal. Not completely illegal, but to abort a fetus that is 35 weeks old sure is illegal and is such a cruel act that it should be severely punished.



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