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AnthonyW86 on 17 March 2016
TheMessiah said:
If games on PS4 struggle to sometimes hit 900p 30 fps, I'm at a loss. What sort of graphics are we talking about? last gen visuals?

That's just a choice developers make, a well optimized game at 60 fps on PS4 will still look way better than any PS3 game. Games like Black Ops 3 run at 60 fps. And The Last of Us for example was an early port and runs at 60fps 1080P, with updated graphics. And that's a port, not a game that was developed for the PS4 specifically.



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bigtakilla on 17 March 2016
vivster said:
Why? Our eyes can't see faster than 24fps!

Is that 24FPS drop frame or non drop frame? (Damn you college audio/video production degree!!!)



SubzeroDegrees on 17 March 2016

The human eye can only see 24fps maybe with Sharingan contacts you could see 48fps and even that's a stretch



HigHurtenflurst on 17 March 2016
vivster said:
Why? Our eyes can't see faster than 24fps!

Our eyes are analogue not digital (assuming you are not a robot/bionic). We can percieve a steady 24 images per second as fluid motion, but with concentration can notice the difference between true fluid motion and much higher frame-rates (and it is significantly more noticable and a jar to the experience if the frame-rate is variable)



Areaz32 on 17 March 2016
BraLoD said:
Some people are getting a wrong idea behind this, PSVR will run games at 120hz, that's what that cute mini-PS4 box is for, that's why it has to be 60fps so it can turn it to 120hz on the PSVR.

Again... The mini ps4 (PU) doesn't do any of the reprojection. The box only does 3d audio + theater mode + unwarping vr picture into television picture.

How is this so hard to grasp.



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Mr Puggsly on 17 March 2016
CGI-Quality said:
TheMessiah said:
If games on PS4 struggle to sometimes hit 900p 30 fps, I'm at a loss. What sort of graphics are we talking about? last gen visuals?

And how many games struggle on PS4 under those conditions? Which games are they?

As for the frame-rate debate, this should help.

There are numerous games that do 900p/30 fps or in the ballpark. Much of the PS4 library is 30 fps. The list of games that are locked at 60 fps at all times is a small list.

The dilemma is these requirements will certainly reduce potential support.



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TheMessiah on 17 March 2016
AnthonyW86 said:
TheMessiah said:
If games on PS4 struggle to sometimes hit 900p 30 fps, I'm at a loss. What sort of graphics are we talking about? last gen visuals?

That's just a choice developers make, a well optimized game at 60 fps on PS4 will still look way better than any PS3 game. Games like Black Ops 3 run at 60 fps. And The Last of Us for example was an early port and runs at 60fps 1080P, with updated graphics. And that's a port, not a game that was developed for the PS4 specifically.

Is it running 2 screens at 1080p 60 fps inside the VR headset?



TheMessiah on 17 March 2016
CGI-Quality said:
TheMessiah said:
If games on PS4 struggle to sometimes hit 900p 30 fps, I'm at a loss. What sort of graphics are we talking about? last gen visuals?

And how many games struggle on PS4 under those conditions? Which games are they?

As for the frame-rate debate, this should help.

I'm just referring to digital foundry. Alot of games have framerate dips, tearing and dropped frames. It seems like developers will be on a knife edge to make all VR games 1080p@60fps with this console gen. Are developers going to exert that much development time to negate all issues in VR games? You may know this, but does the claims of 60 fps VR making you feel sick hold any truth?



TheMessiah on 17 March 2016
the-pi-guy said:
GamechaserBE said:
60 is to low/90 should be minimal, 60 can only be okay in slowish games maybe a horror game like P.T. would be okay but 60 in ace combat or a racing game will end up making people sick.
shikamaru317 said:
From what I've heard 90fps is minimum with VR if you don't want to get motion sick. Hopefully most devs will be aiming for 90, not 60.
TH-Work said:
60FPS is still not 120FPS :)

PSVR has the ability to run

60 fps games (these get reprojected to 120 fps)

90 fps games (these stay at 90)

120 fps games (these stay at 120)

You will not play any games that are running at 60 fps in native 60 fps. 

TheMessiah said:
If games on PS4 struggle to sometimes hit 900p 30 fps, I'm at a loss. What sort of graphics are we talking about? last gen visuals?

There are a couple of games that struggle to do 900p30, but most games are 1080p30, or even better.

These are all PSVR only games:

ah ok. So Vr games will not look as good as TV games. IE Uncharted 4/Quantum Break. Still looks decent enough though.



TheMessiah on 17 March 2016
the-pi-guy said:
TheMessiah said:

Is it running 2 screens at 1080p 60 fps inside the VR headset?

PSVR is a single 1080p display. 

There are some games running at native 120 fps. 

Ok thanks. Its all a little confusing lol.