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Are you worried about the future of Xbox?

Yes. Their vision is bein... 320 68.52%
 
No. Phil knows what he's doing. 73 15.63%
 
PHIL IS A GOD! PRAISE UPO... 19 4.07%
 
Console peasants just mak... 55 11.78%
 
Total:467
GribbleGrunger said:
LudicrousSpeed said:

LOL yeah right. Maybe for like... the really hardcore gamer. Which doesn't make up the majority of the consumer market, by far. Otherwise, why does MicroSony spend so much money on third party marketing? Yeah, some people will buy a PS4 because of games like Uncharted or GT. But many more will buy it because their friends own it, or they see some cool Destiny PS4 commercial, or because it's the "cool" console to own this gen, among other reasons more important than exclusives.

The only exception is Nintendo.

So you agree, people buy consoles for exclusives. If you want to talk about other reasons people buy consoles then that's fine but it doesn't change the absolute, undesputable fact that exclusives sell consoles.

Multi sells more, sales figures don't lie, only you do.



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GribbleGrunger said:
LudicrousSpeed said:

LOL yeah right. Maybe for like... the really hardcore gamer. Which doesn't make up the majority of the consumer market, by far. Otherwise, why does MicroSony spend so much money on third party marketing? Yeah, some people will buy a PS4 because of games like Uncharted or GT. But many more will buy it because their friends own it, or they see some cool Destiny PS4 commercial, or because it's the "cool" console to own this gen, among other reasons more important than exclusives.

The only exception is Nintendo.

So you agree, people buy consoles for exclusives. If you want to talk about other reasons people buy consoles then that's fine but it doesn't change the absolute, undesputable fact that exclusives sell consoles.

Do you live in a universe where COD sells less than Halo or Uncharted/Gran Turismo?



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Random_Matt said:

Multi sells more, sales figures don't lie, only you do.

So you agree too that exclusives sell consoles. Are you seeing it yet?



 

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barneystinson69 said:

Phil Spencer. When he became head of xbox, I though it was great. It was the chance to save the xbox brand, and start rebuilding it from the rubble that Don Mattrick started. And at first, it appeared that way. Throughout 2014 and 2015, it was all rosy and happy. Great new exclusives, B/C, great new feature's, and everything was going well. But now, I feel Phil has reversed all of that, with stupid policy and a goal towards making a quick buck, all at the expense of xbox.

Now throughout the holiday season, we had this "greatest games lineup" marketing. I found it to be BS, since 2007 was the best year for Xbox exclsuives. But it was pretty good, and certainly beat Sony. But their execution was a disaster. When I was in vacation in the US, I saw virtually no Xbox ads. Star Wars and COD for playstation, but nothing for xbox. Last year, it was almost the exact opposite. They decided not to market any first or third party games, and it bit them in the ass. And instead of fending that off with a price-cut, they took it, and where handed their own feet. When Sony cut the price to 299 in December, the Xbox brand had its pants down, and their response was an embarrasing but desperate reply to it, copy it. And when it came to software sales, I'm pretty sure every single exclusive game in the exception for Rare Replay and GOW released disappointed in software sales. Halo 5 sold 1/2 the copies of Halo 4 in terms of retail, Forza 6 was a huge decline from Forza 4, ROTR was just collateral damage, 

But fine, I could take that. Sales don't personally matter, and frankly it was a great holiday. But I think it had far more damage to Microsoft itself than me. For starters, sales are no longer reported, and everything about the brand's future is all vague. I feel Phil only decided on a PC push once he realized how crappy the holiday's where on comparison for what he hoped. While 2014 was a third battle of kharkov, 2015 was a kursk, and the offensive simply collapsed. Now this is just a wave of surrender, but in a very sleasy way. 

But back on point. So now we see this PC push, and it scare's me. Microsoft is not just planting the seeds for another GFWL disaster, but they're also slowly going to kill the Xbox brand with it. They're trying to push their own inferior platform, and I guarentee it won't work. I'll be surprised if any game reaches 6  digit figure's there. So now instead of just pissing off PC gamers, you piss off your console gamers. You lose both bases, and it ends in disaster. I guarentee this won't work, and once Microsoft has the money, they'll run. But it isn't just their piss poor "PC push" (though its a good part of it), its their how vague they're about the future of the xbox brand that scare's me most. Rumour's everywhere going from "upgradable xbox's", to xbox becoming a steambox, ect. This all seems so stupid, as neither stategy would work! And maybe I'd feel reassured if Microsoft denied these rumour's, but if anything, the Xbox executives have been fueling the fire. Spin, damage control, lies. Just today, Phil promised not "all" exclusives where going to PC. But from what I've heard before, I won't trust PR. So we can keep Halo 6 and possibly GOW 4? Wow, 2 exclusives, that's so enticing!

And I wanted to also add this. Many of the new feature's that where announced have either gone down the drain, forgotten, or are not nearly where they were suppose to be (likely due to it not having enough effect on sales, or because it allowed for sales, but won't matter anymore). B/C for example. When announced, I literally yelled, and jumped up and down with excitement. Next thing I did, came to this site, and absolutely went insane over it! But now, well lets see here. We saw 4 games come out in February (all arcade), and so far 1 for March. Considering they promised weekly games, I feel as if Microsoft didn't bother planning this out, and now they've been backed into a corner. We have 2 games that are confirmed to come out from now till April for B/C, and that's it! 2 games! We where promised 100s for the future. Do you mean 100s of crappy arcade games that nobody plays and we have to wait years for? Should I enjoy playing Dorito racer or whatever crap that was! My hype is gone, just gone! There are so many games missing from this, and unless E3 see's the full ME Trillogy, RDR, and a bunch of other surprises, I declare it dead. We have 20-30 AAA games that work with B/C, and that's it. That's far from 100s. Monthly feature's? Dead as well! Windows 10 proved to ruin the UI and remove many feature's, and make it clear anyone who bought a kinect that they were was shafted! Disgusting! The only thing that's still good is Games for Gold, which require's a gold membership.

I don't know what to say anymore. I've been an avid Xbox fanboy for years, and I've been the first to come at its defence! I was perma-banned from this site for defending the godforsaken brand, and I felt it was right! Well now I wish I could take it back. For the first time ever, I am in a state of hate towards the brand. I can't be nice to it, when we keep seeing Phil say "oh well since Xbox isn't doing well, fuck everything #PCmasterrace". I really just want to punch his smug face, more than the weizled ass we know as Mattrick. Its taken years to reverse this stigma, and now in just mere weeks its being all reversed. Now maybe I'm wrong, and things will go well. But with Phil's future vision of the brand, I feel this is exactly what Don Mattrick did. A future that's just crappy, a future in which I can't support the brand. This is the last straw Microsoft, piss me off more, and I'm done! I will march with Nintendo, as they have yet to disappoint me!

Isn't the bold kind of a contradiction? They did market lots of games last year. You said it yourself, in the "greatest lineup in Xbox history". Whether you agree with that statement or not is entirely subjective.

And what they are planning is something that takes a long time to iron out and plan. It's not like they looked at holiday sales charts and decided to go in an entirely different direction. The writing for this gen had been on the wall long before that. For all you know this was the plan from day one with Papa Phil. I'd rather wait and see what is in store before reacting emotionally or dramatic about it, if at all. So far, of all the speculation or talk about what is happening with the Xbox brand, absolutely none of it represents a change in how gaming on Xbox will work for you if you want to just buy a console and be done. But if you want to do things differently, there will be options for you.



GribbleGrunger said:
LudicrousSpeed said:

LOL yeah right. Maybe for like... the really hardcore gamer. Which doesn't make up the majority of the consumer market, by far. Otherwise, why does MicroSony spend so much money on third party marketing? Yeah, some people will buy a PS4 because of games like Uncharted or GT. But many more will buy it because their friends own it, or they see some cool Destiny PS4 commercial, or because it's the "cool" console to own this gen, among other reasons more important than exclusives.

The only exception is Nintendo.

So you agree, people buy consoles for exclusives. If you want to talk about other reasons people buy consoles then that's fine but it doesn't change the absolute, undesputable fact that exclusives sell consoles.

So you agree, a vast majority of people do not buy consoles for exclusives. If you want to talk about what a small amount of people might buy consoles for then that's fine but it doesn't change the absolute, undesputable fact that most people don't buy consoles for exclusives.



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LudicrousSpeed said:

So you agree, a vast majority of people do not buy consoles for exclusives. If you want to talk about what a small amount of people might buy consoles for then that's fine but it doesn't change the absolute, undesputable fact that most people don't buy consoles for exclusives.

You agree. Let's move on and stop this percentage nonsense. The question is 'do exclusives sell consoles?' not 'do multiplats sell more consoles than exclusives.' The spike in PS4 sales when UC4 releases will likely be completely coincidental ...



 

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SvennoJ said:
I already got very hesitant when they made XBox look like a tablet with the metro UI. Now it runs Windows 10. Exactly what I want, my console to look and behave like my work laptop, not.

I'm worried about this UWP stuff. It's great for mail and spreadsheets etc, yet games have no business with it.
This idea that AAA games can run on phones, tablets, pc and consoles is ludicrous. Totally different control schemes and experiences. Or is it just to start selling mobile games on console.

Anyway XBox is a console no longer. It's the living room PC MS always wanted. It's almost there.

Yes i dont like UI its not console like they had it good on X360 with the blades and NXE. PS4 UI is basicaly a combo of the PS3 UI and Xbox 360 NXE UI, also Xbox 360 u can play music while playing games u can no longer do that but u can on PS4. PS4 learnt alot form Xbox 360, where as Xbox learned nothing.



darkenergy said:
barneystinson69 said:

Phil Spencer. When he became head of xbox, I though it was great. It was the chance to save the xbox brand, and start rebuilding it from the rubble that Don Mattrick started. And at first, it appeared that way. Throughout 2014 and 2015, it was all rosy and happy. Great new exclusives, B/C, great new feature's, and everything was going well. But now, I feel Phil has reversed all of that, with stupid policy and a goal towards making a quick buck, all at the expense of xbox.

Now throughout the holiday season, we had this "greatest games lineup" marketing. I found it to be BS, since 2007 was the best year for Xbox exclsuives. But it was pretty good, and certainly beat Sony. But their execution was a disaster. When I was in vacation in the US, I saw virtually no Xbox ads. Star Wars and COD for playstation, but nothing for xbox. Last year, it was almost the exact opposite. They decided not to market any first or third party games, and it bit them in the ass. And instead of fending that off with a price-cut, they took it, and where handed their own feet. When Sony cut the price to 299 in December, the Xbox brand had its pants down, and their response was an embarrasing but desperate reply to it, copy it. And when it came to software sales, I'm pretty sure every single exclusive game in the exception for Rare Replay and GOW released disappointed in software sales. Halo 5 sold 1/2 the copies of Halo 4 in terms of retail, Forza 6 was a huge decline from Forza 4, ROTR was just collateral damage, 

But fine, I could take that. Sales don't personally matter, and frankly it was a great holiday. But I think it had far more damage to Microsoft itself than me. For starters, sales are no longer reported, and everything about the brand's future is all vague. I feel Phil only decided on a PC push once he realized how crappy the holiday's where on comparison for what he hoped. While 2014 was a third battle of kharkov, 2015 was a kursk, and the offensive simply collapsed. Now this is just a wave of surrender, but in a very sleasy way. 

But back on point. So now we see this PC push, and it scare's me. Microsoft is not just planting the seeds for another GFWL disaster, but they're also slowly going to kill the Xbox brand with it. They're trying to push their own inferior platform, and I guarentee it won't work. I'll be surprised if any game reaches 6  digit figure's there. So now instead of just pissing off PC gamers, you piss off your console gamers. You lose both bases, and it ends in disaster. I guarentee this won't work, and once Microsoft has the money, they'll run. But it isn't just their piss poor "PC push" (though its a good part of it), its their how vague they're about the future of the xbox brand that scare's me most. Rumour's everywhere going from "upgradable xbox's", to xbox becoming a steambox, ect. This all seems so stupid, as neither stategy would work! And maybe I'd feel reassured if Microsoft denied these rumour's, but if anything, the Xbox executives have been fueling the fire. Spin, damage control, lies. Just today, Phil promised not "all" exclusives where going to PC. But from what I've heard before, I won't trust PR. So we can keep Halo 6 and possibly GOW 4? Wow, 2 exclusives, that's so enticing!

And I wanted to also add this. Many of the new feature's that where announced have either gone down the drain, forgotten, or are not nearly where they were suppose to be (likely due to it not having enough effect on sales, or because it allowed for sales, but won't matter anymore). B/C for example. When announced, I literally yelled, and jumped up and down with excitement. Next thing I did, came to this site, and absolutely went insane over it! But now, well lets see here. We saw 4 games come out in February (all arcade), and so far 1 for March. Considering they promised weekly games, I feel as if Microsoft didn't bother planning this out, and now they've been backed into a corner. We have 2 games that are confirmed to come out from now till April for B/C, and that's it! 2 games! We where promised 100s for the future. Do you mean 100s of crappy arcade games that nobody plays and we have to wait years for? Should I enjoy playing Dorito racer or whatever crap that was! My hype is gone, just gone! There are so many games missing from this, and unless E3 see's the full ME Trillogy, RDR, and a bunch of other surprises, I declare it dead. We have 20-30 AAA games that work with B/C, and that's it. That's far from 100s. Monthly feature's? Dead as well! Windows 10 proved to ruin the UI and remove many feature's, and make it clear anyone who bought a kinect that they were was shafted! Disgusting! The only thing that's still good is Games for Gold, which require's a gold membership.

I don't know what to say anymore. I've been an avid Xbox fanboy for years, and I've been the first to come at its defence! I was perma-banned from this site for defending the godforsaken brand, and I felt it was right! Well now I wish I could take it back. For the first time ever, I am in a state of hate towards the brand. I can't be nice to it, when we keep seeing Phil say "oh well since Xbox isn't doing well, fuck everything #PCmasterrace". I really just want to punch his smug face, more than the weizled ass we know as Mattrick. Its taken years to reverse this stigma, and now in just mere weeks its being all reversed. Now maybe I'm wrong, and things will go well. But with Phil's future vision of the brand, I feel this is exactly what Don Mattrick did. A future that's just crappy, a future in which I can't support the brand. This is the last straw Microsoft, piss me off more, and I'm done! I will march with Nintendo, as they have yet to disappoint me!

I tried reading all of this but all I'm going to say is that I'm NOT worried at all. Also comparing Forza 4 with the current Forza games on X1 isn't really a good comparison. Oh did I mention that Forza 6 made it in the top 10 individual/all format charts in the UK?

 

 

 

One more thing in this thread: third party games help increase hardware more than exclusives for obvious reasons.

X1 back on track right there.

It's worth reading the OP, fair deal of effort put into writing it, especially if you're going to reply to a portion of it.



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DEAD_ORIGINAL said:
SvennoJ said:
I already got very hesitant when they made XBox look like a tablet with the metro UI. Now it runs Windows 10. Exactly what I want, my console to look and behave like my work laptop, not.

I'm worried about this UWP stuff. It's great for mail and spreadsheets etc, yet games have no business with it.
This idea that AAA games can run on phones, tablets, pc and consoles is ludicrous. Totally different control schemes and experiences. Or is it just to start selling mobile games on console.

Anyway XBox is a console no longer. It's the living room PC MS always wanted. It's almost there.

Yes i dont like UI its not console like they had it good on X360 with the blades and NXE. PS4 UI is basicaly a combo of the PS3 UI and Xbox 360 NXE UI, also Xbox 360 u can play music while playing games u can no longer do that but u can on PS4. PS4 learnt alot form Xbox 360, where as Xbox learned nothing.

Do you mean you can't use custom soundtracks on the X1? Or is it limited to Xbox music or whatever Zune is rebranded to this week.



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Ganoncrotch said:
DEAD_ORIGINAL said:

Yes i dont like UI its not console like they had it good on X360 with the blades and NXE. PS4 UI is basicaly a combo of the PS3 UI and Xbox 360 NXE UI, also Xbox 360 u can play music while playing games u can no longer do that but u can on PS4. PS4 learnt alot form Xbox 360, where as Xbox learned nothing.

Do you mean you can't use custom soundtracks on the X1? Or is it limited to Xbox music or whatever Zune is rebranded to this week.

Right back in the day im robbing someone in Skyrim i can listen to Eminem Lose Yourself, i pressed the xbox button mini dashboard comes up play music bam. Even the original Xbox u could play music in most games.