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Are you worried about the future of Xbox?

Yes. Their vision is bein... 320 68.52%
 
No. Phil knows what he's doing. 73 15.63%
 
PHIL IS A GOD! PRAISE UPO... 19 4.07%
 
Console peasants just mak... 55 11.78%
 
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Phil Spencer. When he became head of xbox, I though it was great. It was the chance to save the xbox brand, and start rebuilding it from the rubble that Don Mattrick started. And at first, it appeared that way. Throughout 2014 and 2015, it was all rosy and happy. Great new exclusives, B/C, great new feature's, and everything was going well. But now, I feel Phil has reversed all of that, with stupid policy and a goal towards making a quick buck, all at the expense of xbox.

Now throughout the holiday season, we had this "greatest games lineup" marketing. I found it to be BS, since 2007 was the best year for Xbox exclsuives. But it was pretty good, and certainly beat Sony. But their execution was a disaster. When I was in vacation in the US, I saw virtually no Xbox ads. Star Wars and COD for playstation, but nothing for xbox. Last year, it was almost the exact opposite. They decided not to market any first or third party games, and it bit them in the ass. And instead of fending that off with a price-cut, they took it, and where handed their own feet. When Sony cut the price to 299 in December, the Xbox brand had its pants down, and their response was an embarrasing but desperate reply to it, copy it. And when it came to software sales, I'm pretty sure every single exclusive game in the exception for Rare Replay and GOW released disappointed in software sales. Halo 5 sold 1/2 the copies of Halo 4 in terms of retail, Forza 6 was a huge decline from Forza 4, ROTR was just collateral damage, 

But fine, I could take that. Sales don't personally matter, and frankly it was a great holiday. But I think it had far more damage to Microsoft itself than me. For starters, sales are no longer reported, and everything about the brand's future is all vague. I feel Phil only decided on a PC push once he realized how crappy the holiday's where on comparison for what he hoped. While 2014 was a third battle of kharkov, 2015 was a kursk, and the offensive simply collapsed. Now this is just a wave of surrender, but in a very sleasy way. 

But back on point. So now we see this PC push, and it scare's me. Microsoft is not just planting the seeds for another GFWL disaster, but they're also slowly going to kill the Xbox brand with it. They're trying to push their own inferior platform, and I guarentee it won't work. I'll be surprised if any game reaches 6  digit figure's there. So now instead of just pissing off PC gamers, you piss off your console gamers. You lose both bases, and it ends in disaster. I guarentee this won't work, and once Microsoft has the money, they'll run. But it isn't just their piss poor "PC push" (though its a good part of it), its their how vague they're about the future of the xbox brand that scare's me most. Rumour's everywhere going from "upgradable xbox's", to xbox becoming a steambox, ect. This all seems so stupid, as neither stategy would work! And maybe I'd feel reassured if Microsoft denied these rumour's, but if anything, the Xbox executives have been fueling the fire. Spin, damage control, lies. Just today, Phil promised not "all" exclusives where going to PC. But from what I've heard before, I won't trust PR. So we can keep Halo 6 and possibly GOW 4? Wow, 2 exclusives, that's so enticing!

And I wanted to also add this. Many of the new feature's that where announced have either gone down the drain, forgotten, or are not nearly where they were suppose to be (likely due to it not having enough effect on sales, or because it allowed for sales, but won't matter anymore). B/C for example. When announced, I literally yelled, and jumped up and down with excitement. Next thing I did, came to this site, and absolutely went insane over it! But now, well lets see here. We saw 4 games come out in February (all arcade), and so far 1 for March. Considering they promised weekly games, I feel as if Microsoft didn't bother planning this out, and now they've been backed into a corner. We have 2 games that are confirmed to come out from now till April for B/C, and that's it! 2 games! We where promised 100s for the future. Do you mean 100s of crappy arcade games that nobody plays and we have to wait years for? Should I enjoy playing Dorito racer or whatever crap that was! My hype is gone, just gone! There are so many games missing from this, and unless E3 see's the full ME Trillogy, RDR, and a bunch of other surprises, I declare it dead. We have 20-30 AAA games that work with B/C, and that's it. That's far from 100s. Monthly feature's? Dead as well! Windows 10 proved to ruin the UI and remove many feature's, and make it clear anyone who bought a kinect that they were was shafted! Disgusting! The only thing that's still good is Games for Gold, which require's a gold membership.

I don't know what to say anymore. I've been an avid Xbox fanboy for years, and I've been the first to come at its defence! I was perma-banned from this site for defending the godforsaken brand, and I felt it was right! Well now I wish I could take it back. For the first time ever, I am in a state of hate towards the brand. I can't be nice to it, when we keep seeing Phil say "oh well since Xbox isn't doing well, fuck everything #PCmasterrace". I really just want to punch his smug face, more than the weizled ass we know as Mattrick. Its taken years to reverse this stigma, and now in just mere weeks its being all reversed. Now maybe I'm wrong, and things will go well. But with Phil's future vision of the brand, I feel this is exactly what Don Mattrick did. A future that's just crappy, a future in which I can't support the brand. This is the last straw Microsoft, piss me off more, and I'm done! I will march with Nintendo, as they have yet to disappoint me!

 

Edit: I didn't mean this in a sales point btw (at least for the most part). I just mean in terms of the brand and my feelings, just to clarify.



Made a bet with LipeJJ and HylianYoshi that the XB1 will reach 30 million before Wii U reaches 15 million. Loser has to get avatar picked by winner for 6 months (or if I lose, either 6 months avatar control for both Lipe and Hylian, or my patrick avatar comes back forever).

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Don did what he was told, Phil does what he is told. This Don scape goating is old and boring.



Random_Matt said:
Don did what he was told, Phil does what he is told. This Don scape goating is old and boring.

He's the head of his brand. He can have an influence on what's going on. Trust me, he is in on all of this...



Made a bet with LipeJJ and HylianYoshi that the XB1 will reach 30 million before Wii U reaches 15 million. Loser has to get avatar picked by winner for 6 months (or if I lose, either 6 months avatar control for both Lipe and Hylian, or my patrick avatar comes back forever).

Meh I used to be a huge Xbox fan as well. Switched almost completely to PC back in 2009 and never looked back. I still own an xbox one (mostly for madden and forza) and if those games come to PC i think thats fantastic! Exclusives are overrated and really only necessary to help sell hardware. Perhaps Microsoft doesnt think its worth the cost of creating their own hardware anymore and can you honestly blame them? The idea of closed ecosystems for games is redundant. PC is the future. We are legion. You will assimilate!



I mostly play RTS and Moba style games now adays as well as ALOT of benchmarking. I do play other games however such as the witcher 3 and Crysis 3, and recently Ashes of the Singularity. I love gaming on the cutting edge and refuse to accept any compromises. Proud member of the Glorious PC Gaming Master Race. Long Live SHIO!!!! 

barneystinson69 said:
Random_Matt said:
Don did what he was told, Phil does what he is told. This Don scape goating is old and boring.

He's the head of his brand. He can have an influence on what's going on. Trust me, he is in on all of this...

If you say so.



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1337 Gamer said:
Meh I used to be a huge Xbox fan as well. Switched almost completely to PC back in 2009 and never looked back. I still own an xbox one (mostly for madden and forza) and if those games come to PC i think thats fantastic! Exclusives are overrated and really only necessary to help sell hardware. Perhaps Microsoft doesnt think its worth the cost of creating their own hardware anymore and can you honestly blame them? The idea of closed ecosystems for games is redundant. PC is the future. We are legion. You will assimilate!

Multi plats sell consoles, exclusives are secondary.



Random_Matt said:
1337 Gamer said:
Meh I used to be a huge Xbox fan as well. Switched almost completely to PC back in 2009 and never looked back. I still own an xbox one (mostly for madden and forza) and if those games come to PC i think thats fantastic! Exclusives are overrated and really only necessary to help sell hardware. Perhaps Microsoft doesnt think its worth the cost of creating their own hardware anymore and can you honestly blame them? The idea of closed ecosystems for games is redundant. PC is the future. We are legion. You will assimilate!

Multi plats sell consoles, exclusives are secondary.

I can second that. But I already stated this in my post, Microsoft had no 3rd party marketing during the holiday season. PS4 had SW and COD.

And exclusives do matter. Even if not by nearly as much, the PS3 was supported by exclsuives when 3rd parties where either abandoning it, or making crappy ports. 



Made a bet with LipeJJ and HylianYoshi that the XB1 will reach 30 million before Wii U reaches 15 million. Loser has to get avatar picked by winner for 6 months (or if I lose, either 6 months avatar control for both Lipe and Hylian, or my patrick avatar comes back forever).

Random_Matt said:
1337 Gamer said:
Meh I used to be a huge Xbox fan as well. Switched almost completely to PC back in 2009 and never looked back. I still own an xbox one (mostly for madden and forza) and if those games come to PC i think thats fantastic! Exclusives are overrated and really only necessary to help sell hardware. Perhaps Microsoft doesnt think its worth the cost of creating their own hardware anymore and can you honestly blame them? The idea of closed ecosystems for games is redundant. PC is the future. We are legion. You will assimilate!

Multi plats sell consoles, exclusives are secondary.

Exactly... Like I said they are only there to HELP sell hardware... Thats the whole point of a manufactur creating first party studios and create games is to help incentivize people to buy their specific platform. Obviously Multi platform games sell higher.



I mostly play RTS and Moba style games now adays as well as ALOT of benchmarking. I do play other games however such as the witcher 3 and Crysis 3, and recently Ashes of the Singularity. I love gaming on the cutting edge and refuse to accept any compromises. Proud member of the Glorious PC Gaming Master Race. Long Live SHIO!!!! 

Pretty interesting statement, i do agree with some of your point.
I'm not sure Phil is the right guy (has for me i always took with a grain of salt anything he say and never trust him, after all he's only a image that MS want him to be)

I own a X1 and dont regret it yet.....(to be continue...)



I already got very hesitant when they made XBox look like a tablet with the metro UI. Now it runs Windows 10. Exactly what I want, my console to look and behave like my work laptop, not.

I'm worried about this UWP stuff. It's great for mail and spreadsheets etc, yet games have no business with it.
This idea that AAA games can run on phones, tablets, pc and consoles is ludicrous. Totally different control schemes and experiences. Or is it just to start selling mobile games on console.

Anyway XBox is a console no longer. It's the living room PC MS always wanted. It's almost there.