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d21lewis on 23 February 2016
axumblade said:
d21lewis said:
I think Wizard already had this battle or at least a "deadliest villains list" that explained who was number one and how they'd kill the other guys on the list.

I think it was:

10: Bullseye
9. Sabertooth
8. Carnage
7. Joker
6. Doomsday
5
4.
3. Magneto
2. Lex Luthor
1. Dr. doom

Can't remember the other guys. Anyway, Carnage would just fall for any of Joker's tricks. And New 52 Joker is on another level.

Perhaps Apocalypse, Galactus, or Thanos are the missing ones. Seems around their teirs to be honest. 

I think they specifically said they avoided world destroying "cosmic" characters. I'll Google it later on today.



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d21lewis on 23 February 2016

Oh, that Wizard list is pretty much an opinion like anything else. It was written before the internet was huge. I always respected them as the final authority on all things comic related but that doesn't mean they were infallible. They always backed up their claims with actual feats, though.



The Fury on 23 February 2016

Joker is the better villain as he has plans.

Carnage is just psychotic. 



Hmm, pie.

NiKKoM on 23 February 2016
d21lewis said:

I think they specifically said they avoided world destroying "cosmic" characters. I'll Google it later on today.

old man... its a wizard list from 1998...

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-333753-wizard-top-10-supervillan-list.html


10 - Bullseye

9 - Sabretooth

8 - Carnage

7- Joker

6 - Ra's Al Ghul

5 - Doomsday

4 - Thanos

3 - Magneto 

2 - Lex Luthor

1 - Dr. Doom



 

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d21lewis on 23 February 2016
NiKKoM said:
d21lewis said:

I think they specifically said they avoided world destroying "cosmic" characters. I'll Google it later on today.

old man... its a wizard list from 1998...

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-333753-wizard-top-10-supervillan-list.html


10 - Bullseye

9 - Sabretooth

8 - Carnage

7- Joker

6 - Ra's Al Ghul

5 - Doomsday

4 - Thanos

3 - Magneto 

2 - Lex Luthor

1 - Dr. Doom

That's the one! I still believe it, though. Read their comments and tell me if you disagree!

(Oh, mentioned it was old a couple posts ago)

 

*edit* it's only the list and not the article. I'll try to find the article but they backed up ever claim.



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The Fury on 23 February 2016
d21lewis said:
Oh, that Wizard list is pretty much an opinion like anything else. It was written before the internet was huge. I always respected them as the final authority on all things comic related but that doesn't mean they were infallible. They always backed up their claims with actual feats, though.

It's also usually swayed by popularity too. Sure Doom is the greatest villain created at Marvel but would/could Doom stop a Jaspers? Or any reality changing being? (I mean really, I'm not including the recent mess). I mean Sabretooth? Nowadays he wouldn't feature in top 50 let alone 10.

Also, Apocalypse is dangerous but not as much as people think. He's not out for global extinction or anything like that, he wants humanity to take it's next step to perfect and evolution, even if that means forcing it, next step being mutants. 



Hmm, pie.

d21lewis on 23 February 2016

The two actually met in Batman/Spider-man, too. They didn't actually fight each other but it was a decent enough read back in the late 90s.



d21lewis on 23 February 2016
The Fury said:
d21lewis said:
Oh, that Wizard list is pretty much an opinion like anything else. It was written before the internet was huge. I always respected them as the final authority on all things comic related but that doesn't mean they were infallible. They always backed up their claims with actual feats, though.

It's also usually swayed by popularity too. Sure Doom is the greatest villain created at Marvel but would/could Doom stop a Jaspers? Or any reality changing being? (I mean really, I'm not including the recent mess). I mean Sabretooth? Nowadays he wouldn't feature in top 50 let alone 10.

Also, Apocalypse is dangerous but not as much as people think. He's not out for global extinction or anything like that, he wants humanity to take it's next step to perfect and evolution, even if that means forcing it, next step being mutants. 

I agree with you about Apocalypse but.... Did I miss something? I don't think anybody mentioned him!



The Fury on 23 February 2016
d21lewis said:

I agree with you about Apocalypse but.... Did I miss something? I don't think anybody mentioned him!
axumblade said:

Perhaps Apocalypse, Galactus, or Thanos are the missing ones. Seems around their teirs to be honest. 

But like you mentioned, Galactus wouldn't be on such a list if they ignore 'cosmic gods' anyway. It's a decent list, even now, even if one or 2 are outdated. EDIT: Posted before I saw the list. :)



Hmm, pie.

finalfantasystud on 23 February 2016

I see it this way Joker get's more publicity but Carnage is the baddest and meanest villian ever. I mean c'mon half alien half serial killer thats crazy!!!
Carnage is my all time favorite super hero/ villain. I wanted to cry when spiderman 4 never came out in 2010 it would have been the best super hero movie of all time, givin they did it right. (Sorry batman)
They then went on to destroy spiderman with these new "Amazing Spiderman" movies with a completely different storyline :(
Please bring Carnage back Marvel!!!!!