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Jeb bush calls it quits!

Good! We don't need another Bush in office! 77 41.40%
 
#Trump 2016 (Fuck your feelings)! 53 28.49%
 
#Cruz2016 5 2.69%
 
#Rubio2016 16 8.60%
 
#Someotherrepuublicancanidatefor2016 12 6.45%
 
Guess the Daily show's c... 23 12.37%
 
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barneystinson69 said:
Nirvana_Nut85 said:
YESSSSS!!!!! Jeb down Hillary to go. Trump vs Bernie is slowly getting closer to becoming a reality.

I remember you! First friend on vgchartz, super6646! But no, Hillary will win the democratic primary. She has too much power in her party. And bernie is kind of... well... I don't want him in power. To many social programs will just bankrupt America. But even I just hard this randomely, so I'm not one who looks into their promises.

Sanders' programs are not only feasable, they are necessary. I don't know if you realize what a sorry state the USA is in socially? Clinton might win of course, and that means we'll see more of desastrous foreign policy, no necessary measures to stop the next economic dowturn and a way to meek effort to curb social inequality, let alone the influence of big capital over Clinton.



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hunter_alien said:
MoscowPuzzles said:
This is disastrous for Trump, Jeb's supporters will flock to the *other* mainstream candidate, in this case Ted Cruz.

Yeah... Im not sure about this. Never the less, good riddance. He was a terrible candidate to start with.

They are all terrible.



WolfpackN64 said:
barneystinson69 said:

I remember you! First friend on vgchartz, super6646! But no, Hillary will win the democratic primary. She has too much power in her party. And bernie is kind of... well... I don't want him in power. To many social programs will just bankrupt America. But even I just hard this randomely, so I'm not one who looks into their promises.

Sanders' programs are not only feasable, they are necessary. I don't know if you realize what a sorry state the USA is in socially? Clinton might win of course, and that means we'll see more of desastrous foreign policy, no necessary measures to stop the next economic dowturn and a way to meek effort to curb social inequality, let alone the influence of big capital over Clinton.

Lol... necessary? Thats totally objective. Just as much as saying its necessary to love halo to own an xbox, or god of war for the ps4.

His programs are fucking retarded. His plans to pay for them are not going to work... you Sanders fans seriously want to see the country burn or just don't understand economics.



sabvre42 said:

Lol... necessary? Thats totally objective. Just as much as saying its necessary to love halo to own an xbox, or god of war for the ps4.

His programs are fucking retarded. His plans to pay for them are not going to work... you Sanders fans seriously want to see the country burn or just don't understand economics.

No, it's not necessary as in having to own a PS4 or an Xbox One, grow up.

It's necessary if you people don't want a revolution on your hand. That and Sanders policies pay themselves back in part. Better healthcare and better (acces to) education is crucial for the US economy.

And I studied economics, thank you very much.



WolfpackN64 said:
barneystinson69 said:

I remember you! First friend on vgchartz, super6646! But no, Hillary will win the democratic primary. She has too much power in her party. And bernie is kind of... well... I don't want him in power. To many social programs will just bankrupt America. But even I just hard this randomely, so I'm not one who looks into their promises.

Sanders' programs are not only feasable, they are necessary. I don't know if you realize what a sorry state the USA is in socially? Clinton might win of course, and that means we'll see more of desastrous foreign policy, no necessary measures to stop the next economic dowturn and a way to meek effort to curb social inequality, let alone the influence of big capital over Clinton.

You're a fool, Sanders would bring economic ruin to the USA, it's like you perople who constantly scream for more government power and spending don't recognise the untold number of states who have sunk themselves going in the socialistic route, I mean FFS if any of you lot even looked at Japan without any bias glasses on you'd realise how destructive and disastrous govenment intervention always is. Japan, FYI, has gone sideways/slightly down since thier property and banking bubbles burst in the early 90's and since Abe has been in power with his brand of Keynes economic theory (which is beyond stupid) they've been in recession 3 times and have had negative growth in 5 of the last 9 quarters. It's a complete joke.



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Groundking said:

You're a fool, Sanders would being economic ruin to the USA, it's like you perople who constantly scream for more government power and spending don't recognise the untold number of states who have sunk themselves going in the socialistic route, I mean FFS if any of you lot even looked at Japan without any bias glasses on you'd realise how destructive and disastrous govenment intervention always is. Japan, FYI, has gone sideways/slightly down since thier property and banking bubbles burst in the early 90's and since Abe has been in power with his brand of Keynes economic theory (which is beyond stupid) they've been in recession 3 times and have had negative growth in 5 of the last 9 quarters. It's a complete joke.

Abe using Keynesian economics? Hah!

Abe is using monetarian shock policy's. That worked for a few months, but has now backfired on him. Not to burst your bubble, but Shinzo Abe is a facist. Nearly half of the Japanese parliament is part of Nippon Kaigi! The policies of the social democratic 'Democratic Party of Japan' were actually working untill Fukushima blew up.

The only politicians with some real common sense in Japan is the Japanese Communist Party ans some people in the Democratic Party of Japan.



WolfpackN64 said:
sabvre42 said:

Lol... necessary? Thats totally objective. Just as much as saying its necessary to love halo to own an xbox, or god of war for the ps4.

His programs are fucking retarded. His plans to pay for them are not going to work... you Sanders fans seriously want to see the country burn or just don't understand economics.

No, it's not necessary as in having to own a PS4 or an Xbox One, grow up.

It's necessary if you people don't want a revolution on your hand. That and Sanders policies pay themselves back in part. Better healthcare and better (acces to) education is crucial for the US economy.

And I studied economics, thank you very much.

 

One econ class doesn't count.... 

 

"Better access to education" is a liberal myth. An economy can only support so many educated jobs before creating education creep. The US is already at approximately 40% college educated adults, and it now requires a degree to work at a call center. As a good case study look at the developing nation of Peru. They actually offer FREE puplic education (based on competitiveness), yet due to an over supply of educated workers - underemployment is insane.

 

A $15 an hour federal minimum wage is also shit. Low skill jobs make up a majority of the positions that add to cost of living ranging from farms, retail, fast food, call centers, child care, PCAs (personal care attendants), warehouses, manufacturing, packaging, etc.

You'd see a spike in the cost of living of at least 20-40%. While the low skill industry will mostly self adjust and see slight raises, the middle class and those on defined payments will not. The middle class will have less to spend with, and the elderly and disabled will be screwed.

 

You will also see the the childcare industry be destroyed. If I paid my nanny $10 an hour before... I on't need $5 more an hour myself to afford her... Ineed $7. Her wages come out of my net income... not gross. Certified Nusing Assistants and Personal Care attendants are in the same boat.

 

Wait.. and then there's his universal healthcare plan. He rationalizes the tax hike as a swap from premiums to tax. He forgets 80% of premiums are company paid...



sabvre42 said:
WolfpackN64 said:

No, it's not necessary as in having to own a PS4 or an Xbox One, grow up.

It's necessary if you people don't want a revolution on your hand. That and Sanders policies pay themselves back in part. Better healthcare and better (acces to) education is crucial for the US economy.

And I studied economics, thank you very much.

 

One econ class doesn't count.... 

 

"Better access to education" is a liberal myth. An economy can only support so many educated jobs before creating education creep. The US is already at approximately 40% college educated adults, and it now requires a degree to work at a call center. As a good case study look at the developing nation of Peru. They actually offer FREE puplic education (based on competitiveness), yet due to an over supply of educated workers - underemployment is insane.

 

A $15 an hour federal minimum wage is also shit. Low skill jobs make up a majority of the positions that add to cost of living ranging from farms, retail, fast food, call centers, child care, PCAs (personal care attendants), warehouses, manufacturing, packaging, etc.

You'd see a spike in the cost of living of at least 20-40%. While the low skill industry will mostly self adjust and see slight raises, the middle class and those on defined payments will not. The middle class will have less to spend with, and the elderly and disabled will be screwed.

 

You will also see the the childcare industry be destroyed. If I paid my nanny $10 an hour before... I on't need $5 more an hour myself to afford her... Ineed $7. Her wages come out of my net income... not gross. Certified Nusing Assistants and Personal Care attendants are in the same boat.

The "better acces to education" is not a myth, it's real and it will only become more urgent. The US is a bad example because of the criminal amount of student debt.

And just a quick note on Peru, unemployment is just 3.6%, lower than the US, and it's one of the fastest growing economies.

You need to wage minimum wage, these people need a decent wage. Lower income jobs are also thinning out because of steadily developing automatisation. If you need to pay someone more, but you need less people working for you, prices aren't really going up.

On the contrary, prices for products and services mainly go up because companies want to make a bigger profit. Greed is your problem, not letting people have a comfortable wage.



WolfpackN64 said:
sabvre42 said:

 

One econ class doesn't count.... 

 

"Better access to education" is a liberal myth. An economy can only support so many educated jobs before creating education creep. The US is already at approximately 40% college educated adults, and it now requires a degree to work at a call center. As a good case study look at the developing nation of Peru. They actually offer FREE puplic education (based on competitiveness), yet due to an over supply of educated workers - underemployment is insane.

 

A $15 an hour federal minimum wage is also shit. Low skill jobs make up a majority of the positions that add to cost of living ranging from farms, retail, fast food, call centers, child care, PCAs (personal care attendants), warehouses, manufacturing, packaging, etc.

You'd see a spike in the cost of living of at least 20-40%. While the low skill industry will mostly self adjust and see slight raises, the middle class and those on defined payments will not. The middle class will have less to spend with, and the elderly and disabled will be screwed.

 

You will also see the the childcare industry be destroyed. If I paid my nanny $10 an hour before... I on't need $5 more an hour myself to afford her... Ineed $7. Her wages come out of my net income... not gross. Certified Nusing Assistants and Personal Care attendants are in the same boat.

The "better acces to education" is not a myth, it's real and it will only become more urgent. The US is a bad example because of the criminal amount of student debt.

And just a quick note on Peru, unemployment is just 3.6%, lower than the US, and it's one of the fastest growing economies.

You need to wage minimum wage, these people need a decent wage. Lower income jobs are also thinning out because of steadily developing automatisation. If you need to pay someone more, but you need less people working for you, prices aren't really going up.

On the contrary, prices for products and services mainly go up because companies want to make a bigger profit. Greed is your problem, not letting people have a comfortable wage.

Explain to me how a service driven economy like the US -- which really is already at market cap (aka cannot steal more market from the RotW) can support more educated workers?

I said underemployment... not unemployment. Unlike in the US, people will take whatever job they can to actually get income.

You claim you took economics but you don't understand payroll costs?

If a burger flipper makes $15 an hour and gets paid for exactly 2080 hours a year (2 weeks vacation) they get $31,500 in salary, ~ 33,696 after SS and Medicare matches. If by chance they give a 4% match - we are up to $34,956. I'd also mention the $8000 a year in healthcare, but you've already proven you want that to be free for them... and come from my taxes; so we'll just throw in an additional $1000 in benefits and round up to $36,000.

At my McDonalds, a value meal costs about $6.50. This means that revenue wise that restaurant needs to sell 5,539 burgers to afford just this one worker. This however, excludes factors such: as corporate tax; property tax; rent/repairs/building costs; electricity; distribution costs; marketing costs; corporate costs; cleaning supplies; and most importantly actual cost to produce the burger. Lets imagine that all that adds up to 50% of the cost of the meal (my guess is that its closer to 80%..). That ONE restaurant now needs to sell 11,078 value meals in order to afford to pay ONE employee.

Best part of this is... they would STILL get government assistance in addition to upwards of $7000-9000 in refundable credits (the EIC, child credit, day care credit, etc)... cause AGI.



sabvre42 said:

Explain to me how a service driven economy like the US -- which really is already at market cap (aka cannot steal more market from the RotW) can support more educated workers?

I said underemployment... not unemployment. Unlike in the US, people will take whatever job they can to actually get income.

You claim you took economics but you don't understand payroll costs?

If a burger flipper makes $15 an hour and gets paid for exactly 2080 hours a year (2 weeks vacation) they get $31,500 in salary, ~ 33,696 after SS and Medicare matches. If by chance they give a 4% match - we are up to $34,956. I'd also mention the $8000 a year in healthcare, but you've already proven you want that to be free for them... and come from my taxes; so we'll just throw in an additional $1000 in benefits and round up to $36,000.

At my McDonalds, a value meal costs about $6.50. This means that revenue wise that restaurant needs to sell 5,539 burgers to afford just this one worker. This however, excludes factors such: as corporate tax; property tax; rent/repairs/building costs; electricity; distribution costs; marketing costs; corporate costs; cleaning supplies; and most importantly actual cost to produce the burger. Lets imagine that all that adds up to 50% of the cost of the meal (my guess is that its closer to 80%..). That ONE restaurant now needs to sell 11,078 value meals in order to afford to pay ONE employee.

Best part of this is... they would STILL get government assistance in addition to upwards of $7000-9000 in refundable credits (the EIC, child credit, day care credit, etc)... cause AGI.

You do know these company executives earn a ton of money right?

If "profits" aren't up to satisfaction, how about you cut their multi-milion dollar wage instead?