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jonathanalis on 16 February 2016

i think not too differente.
the only way i see is being the fusion concept, where you can choose the handheld or home console(or both) and release pokemon, 3d mario, splatoon, mario kart and smash on both.
focus on the 58+12 million public from wii U+3ds. they couldnt get any other public nowadays.
but about power, i have no idea yet from what can work.



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jonathanalis on 16 February 2016
FromDK said:
Thunderbird77 said:

These threads need to stop. wouldn't be that bad if they actually had any thoughts put into it but sadly that's not the case. It's one surreal text after the other.

Yes.. just yes.. :)

The only thing we know about NX is:

- Totally different from Wii and WiiU

- A brand new concept

- For the hardcore gamer

- A home console*

*some would say that this is not confirmed.. but for me it is.. Iwata said "hardcore platform" Reggie called NX a home console 2 days after.. and new ceo that 3ds will not be replaced anytime soon.

To make a "realistic" NX tread.. people should acount for this.. And also how it will get 3. party (becourse that is 100% part of NX iddea/strategy) And most important.. What new inovation it will have..

also:

-something that could sell 20 million on launch.

-will be released in 2016(kimishimi said that expect big profits in this fiscal year due nx, so, imo this confirms nx is on 2016). 



snyps on 17 February 2016
jonathanalis said:

also:

-something that could sell 20 million on launch.

-will be released in 2016(kimishimi said that expect big profits in this fiscal year due nx, so, imo this confirms nx is on 2016). 

I thought I saw that article too but now I can't find it.



KungKras on 17 February 2016
snyps said:
KungKras said:
It would be very difficult to release a platform that's not more powerful than the PS4 today. You can build a custom PC that runs circles around it pretty cheaply.

Also I disagree about entering mid-gen. If Nintendo could position themselves as to always be in between two generation they could do pretty well. One half, they'll be the most powerful platform around while the second half, the new platforms have to compete with a console where all the Nintendo heavy-hitters are already out. It would be a nice market position for them.

As for the architecture, I hope that Nintendo has realized that they need to switch to x86. The entire industry is desperate for portability across hardware and if Nintendo adopts that architecture, third parties might actually be forced to port to their platform despite their irrational hatred of Nintendo. Dev costs are only going to go up and any revenue stream availible is an important revenue strem.

You make for a very good argument for mid-gen but what makes you think consumers would buy a Powerful NX over a Powerful PS4?

It depends on the launch titles.



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teigaga on 17 February 2016
snyps said:
teigaga said:

I've considered this but only in a a situation where the NX "dedicated" home console does not arrive til 2018.

So essentially what we're receiving in 2016, is a powerful, dockable handheld that will phase out the Wii U. Going forward it's fine that Nintendo ports all games across both systems but how is BC achieved without the handheld also being Power PC? (a big no, no!)

Ultimately what makes the most sense is that Nintendo abandon the Wii U and 3DS at the same time, instead of trying to shape a new system after the Wii U. The fear of Nintendo's brand being damaged by them ending the Wii U's life 1 year short of 5 years is ultimately nonsensical, Xbox suffered the same fate and no one cared with 360. The damage from Wii U has already been done and it's not from a 4 year life cycle, it's from a lack of software on a yearly basis. Something that will not be fixed by giving the Wii U 1 extra year of life.

I can see NX home console coming much later as well and see just a portable NX this year. PPC is not that big a no no actually, it is very comparable to x86. So much so that 360 could emulate original xbox games and Xbox one could emulate 360. Porting from x86 to PPC is super easy and is not what killed 3rd party support. 

The fear of abandoning Wii U is completely sensical. Xbox's fate was very different because it was killed off at the end of the generation just one year before the ps2's successor giving 360 a one year head start. If Wii U is abandoned this year it will be at the start of this generation. Gamers demand a system that lasts the entire generation.

Nintendo could replace the Wii U and 3DS this year with an x86 console/handheld that absorbs the previous systems and still come out on top but that could also be a big expensive problem is PS4 continues it's trajectory for the next 4-5 years. I see no situation where Nintendo home console changes PS4's dominance. They would lose less money and reputation by staying with the Wii U for the rest of the gen.

But atleast we agree that the portable NX could do really well.

Regarding PPC, an X86 system around of the same strength of the Wii U wouldn't be able to comfortably emulate it? Because I was thinking about having NX handheld having full Wii U BC, it seems unrealistic without it being PPC.

With the bolded this is a line of thinking where you are pitting the Wiii U against the PS4 and X1. Due to its failures I don't think this really applies. Wii U owners must be delusional to hope for their system to live the same length of life as the PS4/X1, better yet what the platform offers (soley Nintendo exclusives) is so vastly different that it really doesn't make sense for their expectations  to be shaped by the other systems. People joke that the Wii U isn't in the same generation of the PS4/X1 but I genuinely think this is the popular perception. If the Wii U was recieving third party support that would be a different story but its not and ultimately whats most important is that Nintendo repair their image by having a platform  (s)that actually recieves quality games on a regular basis. 

If they can achieve this by Unifiying the NX Handheld and Wii U software library then thats great and I agree that they should support the Wii U beyond 2016. But it needs to be replaced by a new console by fall 2018. As long as the new system arrives as the PS4's in decline, then I think it there is far more potential in launching early rather then waiting for the PS5.



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Darwinianevolution on 17 February 2016
twintail said:
I don't think the NX is going to get that many ps4 ports if the x1 doesn't even get all of them.

If the NX also doubles as a handheld, I'm sure the NX will have a bigger japanese support than the XBone. Westerns are anyone's guess, though.



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Kennel83 on 17 February 2016
wombat123 said:
Kennel83 said:

I don´t know if I´m understanding you then.

So why would it be a good idea if they release a new console every three years if people wouldn´t buy them at that pace? Would it be sustainable? I mean, what if 10 million NX are sold from the first year but when the "second" NX is released only 5 million buy it... I don´t know, I guess the main issue here is the price, if it´s cheap and it´s a big upgrade I think most people would buy it. 

Also, what do you think, if they upgrade the console (and handheld as well?) every three years, would they have a re-design every single time? or would it be the same console and handheld but with better specs? I find it very interesting, because on the one hand, it would be nice to have a redesign every three years, but on the other hand I bet they are trying to unify Nintendo as a brand, and they might be looking to have a design that is easily recognizable as a Nintendo product.

What I´m certain about is what you mention about Nintendo focusing on games. If they can release their hardware easy and fast, they could focus on games and that would be great for gamers.

In my scenario, it would just be a matter of updating specs to match advancements in technology and stay within a competitive technological level with their competitors to give 3rd parties no excuses as to why they won't port games over.  If the NX is a hit, I can only see Nintendo changing things by adding input features that make gameplay more convenient like those scroll wheel shoulder buttons on that one patent. 

When it comes to the consistency of hardware sales, I think it wouldn't matter if 30m buy the first NX models and only 10m buy the second NX models because that's still 40m that own an NX and have access towards buying the latest games for it.  With my fairy tale idea, I think Nintendo would be more concerned with how many people have access to their newest software and if that number increases and/or remains consistent rather than how many of each individual NX model is sold.

As to whether or not an upgrade every three years is sustainable, I think it is as long as Nintendo makes all games compatible with the previous gen (bare minimum) like I've said before because It would give consumers confidence in that they all get a guaranteed two smaller gens worth of new games no matter when they decide to buy an NX and would keep consumers in a cycle where they're either buying the newest model or a cheaper used version of the previous model so they can play the latest releases.  All I think Nintendo would care about is if those people are entrenched within their ecosystem and buying stuff from them.

But that's just my guess and I'm most likely completely off and it ends up being some weird thing that none of us saw coming.

I agree with you on everything, it makes so much sense I´ll be shocked if they don´t do that.

I´ll be there if they upgrade the console every three years if the price is right. And if they guarantee that games will be compatible with all previous versions, I can see them gaining consumer´s confidence again, which is something Nintendo needs right now. 

Well, some patents might point into that direction, so maybe you´re not that off! I´m sure it will be something new and "weird" but what you said makes a lot of sense as well.



Thunderbird77 on 17 February 2016
FromDK said:
Thunderbird77 said:

These threads need to stop. wouldn't be that bad if they actually had any thoughts put into it but sadly that's not the case. It's one surreal text after the other.

Yes.. just yes.. :)

The only thing we know about NX is:

- Totally different from Wii and WiiU

- A brand new concept

- For the hardcore gamer

- A home console*

*some would say that this is not confirmed.. but for me it is.. Iwata said "hardcore platform" Reggie called NX a home console 2 days after.. and new ceo that 3ds will not be replaced anytime soon.

To make a "realistic" NX tread.. people should acount for this.. And also how it will get 3. party (becourse that is 100% part of NX iddea/strategy) And most important.. What new inovation it will have..

Iwata said hardware, Reggie didn't call NX a home console. Of course it's for the hardcore gamer, just like every nintendo console ever.



Thunderbird77 on 17 February 2016
RolStoppable said:
FromDK said:

Yes.. just yes.. :)

The only thing we know about NX is:

- Totally different from Wii and WiiU

- A brand new concept

- For the hardcore gamer

- A home console*

*some would say that this is not confirmed.. but for me it is.. Iwata said "hardcore platform" Reggie called NX a home console 2 days after.. and new ceo that 3ds will not be replaced anytime soon.

To make a "realistic" NX tread.. people should acount for this.. And also how it will get 3. party (becourse that is 100% part of NX iddea/strategy) And most important.. What new inovation it will have..

Iwata never said anything like "hardcore platform". NX won't be for the hardcore gamer either. It's also not about getting the same third party support the PS4 and X1 have.

You''re right about the first statement and forever wrong about the other two.



Thunderbird77 on 17 February 2016
DevilRising said:
It is not unbelievable at all that NX will be more powerful than Xbone, or even PS4. Those systems launched in 2013. NX will launch (most likely) in 2017. It will AT LEAST be on par with PS4, but all indications point to more powerful. That doesn't necessarily mean A LOT more powerful. But considering that tech is already a few years old now, it would be surprising if NX wasn't at LEAST on par with PS4.

As for how NX is successful? Easy. Get a bunch of good games on it, and unlike Wii U, actually MARKET the damn thing properly this time.

Actually, it's unbelievable to think that wii u successor (be it NX or not) will be less powerfull than ps4. It will at least be moderately more powerful than ps4 no matter what. Would actually be more expensive to make it less powerfull or just on par.