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KungKras on 16 February 2016

It would be very difficult to release a platform that's not more powerful than the PS4 today. You can build a custom PC that runs circles around it pretty cheaply.

Also I disagree about entering mid-gen. If Nintendo could position themselves as to always be in between two generation they could do pretty well. One half, they'll be the most powerful platform around while the second half, the new platforms have to compete with a console where all the Nintendo heavy-hitters are already out. It would be a nice market position for them.

As for the architecture, I hope that Nintendo has realized that they need to switch to x86. The entire industry is desperate for portability across hardware and if Nintendo adopts that architecture, third parties might actually be forced to port to their platform despite their irrational hatred of Nintendo. Dev costs are only going to go up and any revenue stream availible is an important revenue strem.



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snyps on 16 February 2016
Darwinianevolution said:
I don't think the NX will just be a WiiU revision. Sure, the Wii was really a GC revision with motion controlls and it sold gangbusters. But the Wii added something new at the right time for the right price, and it sold thanks to that. A WiiU revision would fail simply because the time for a machine like that was 2010-2011 (when tablets were all the rage and the Wii was showing its age but the brand still had energy), but they missed that train and confused people with bad advertisement, confusing name and low specs.

The NX needs a similar architecture to their competitors to bring as many support as possible. A handheld with WiiU-like power would be amazing, specially in Japan, but the home console version would need more horsepower. Scalable games would solve the problem, but again, it needs PS4 or XBone-like power and simple architecture to get games. Nintendo alone can't keep their hardware afloat considering it taks longer and longer to develop games.

Good handheld specs to win the japanese companies, easy architecture to get western ports, and competitive price to get an userbase as fast as possible. Considering the tech avalible nowadays, it won't be hard to match PS4 power and be competitive.

I believe the time for a sleek powerful gaming tablet is now. I expected the Razer edge tablet to deliver but it went mia. There has not yet been a proper hardcore gaming tablet and one thing Nintendo is known for is being the first on the scene. 

Nintendo has been making it on their own for 20 years on two separate fronts. With unified platforms they will double their output which will be more than enough to get the ball rolling. They can use x86 and still achieve BC or they can use PPC and still attract 3rd parties (if the ball is rolling). PPC and x86 are very similar.

If I am infering your strategy correctly you think a $300-$400 x86 home console this year will be successful? And a portable with similar but slightly less power next year will be successful? It could work. If Nintendo can double their output like they are able to do now that the teams have consolidated and if they are ready to step into the high-end graphics then it could stand a chance. Seems like an expensive risk though so I don't think Nintendo will chance it. Still you could be right.



DevilRising on 16 February 2016

It is not unbelievable at all that NX will be more powerful than Xbone, or even PS4. Those systems launched in 2013. NX will launch (most likely) in 2017. It will AT LEAST be on par with PS4, but all indications point to more powerful. That doesn't necessarily mean A LOT more powerful. But considering that tech is already a few years old now, it would be surprising if NX wasn't at LEAST on par with PS4.

As for how NX is successful? Easy. Get a bunch of good games on it, and unlike Wii U, actually MARKET the damn thing properly this time.



snyps on 16 February 2016
Soundwave said:

The handheld would do OK but still likely suffer further erosion as it doesn't really address any of the core issues plaguing the 3DS (that is namely the loss of kids/casual players to smart phone/tablet gaming and the free game model they offer).

That console likely wouldn't do very well at all, probably 10 million or so LTD.

If the console is that underwhelming I don't see anyone but Nintendo fans buying it, and even then probably just the most hardcore part of their fan base.

Also the portable would be so close to the console in power, then why not just let the portable output to the TV? Most people would not want the console anyway.

A powerful portable NX is the best chance Nintendo has at achieving success that I can come up with. Can you come up with a better alternative? Also I believe there will be an HDMI stick that will come with the portable.



Swordmasterman on 16 February 2016
DevilRising said:
It is not unbelievable at all that NX will be more powerful than Xbone, or even PS4. Those systems launched in 2013. NX will launch (most likely) in 2017. It will AT LEAST be on par with PS4, but all indications point to more powerful. That doesn't necessarily mean A LOT more powerful. But considering that tech is already a few years old now, it would be surprising if NX wasn't at LEAST on par with PS4.

As for how NX is successful? Easy. Get a bunch of good games on it, and unlike Wii U, actually MARKET the damn thing properly this time.

Yes, is like Releasing the Wii U, weaker than PS3, or Xbox 360, Nintendo NX, will be atleast stronger than PS4, a little, or will not stand.



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FromDK on 16 February 2016
RolStoppable said:
FromDK said:

Yes.. just yes.. :)

The only thing we know about NX is:

- Totally different from Wii and WiiU

- A brand new concept

- For the hardcore gamer

- A home console*

*some would say that this is not confirmed.. but for me it is.. Iwata said "hardcore platform" Reggie called NX a home console 2 days after.. and new ceo that 3ds will not be replaced anytime soon.

To make a "realistic" NX tread.. people should acount for this.. And also how it will get 3. party (becourse that is 100% part of NX iddea/strategy) And most important.. What new inovation it will have..

Iwata never said anything like "hardcore platform". NX won't be for the hardcore gamer either. It's also not about getting the same third party support the PS4 and X1 have.

Ok.. my mistake.. He called it "dedicated game platform" (between the lines.. for our (lets not call em hardcore) "dedicated gamers".. OK.. ? :)

When it comes to 3. party we dont agree.. We have to see that offcourse.. but I totally expect "NX" to have some steamlike.. origin..ish.. pc install whatever thing.. that garantee 3. party.. (Nintendo knows how important some of the 3. party games like star wars.. fifa and so.. are.. and they will not risk again to have non)



snyps on 16 February 2016
Thunderbird77 said:

These threads need to stop. wouldn't be that bad if they actually had any thoughts put into it but sadly that's not the case. It's one surreal text after the other.

I'm trying to generate a discussion about what could be the best route to success for NX. Sorry if they are a dime a dozen and mine is slip shot. Do you have anything else to add, particularly like what you think Nintendo can do to win a large audience?



snyps on 16 February 2016
teigaga said:

I've considered this but only in a a situation where the NX "dedicated" home console does not arrive til 2018.

So essentially what we're receiving in 2016, is a powerful, dockable handheld that will phase out the Wii U. Going forward it's fine that Nintendo ports all games across both systems but how is BC achieved without the handheld also being Power PC? (a big no, no!)

Ultimately what makes the most sense is that Nintendo abandon the Wii U and 3DS at the same time, instead of trying to shape a new system after the Wii U. The fear of Nintendo's brand being damaged by them ending the Wii U's life 1 year short of 5 years is ultimately nonsensical, Xbox suffered the same fate and no one cared with 360. The damage from Wii U has already been done and it's not from a 4 year life cycle, it's from a lack of software on a yearly basis. Something that will not be fixed by giving the Wii U 1 extra year of life.

I can see NX home console coming much later as well and see just a portable NX this year. PPC is not that big a no no actually, it is very comparable to x86. So much so that 360 could emulate original xbox games and Xbox one could emulate 360. Porting from x86 to PPC is super easy and is not what killed 3rd party support. 

The fear of abandoning Wii U is completely sensical. Xbox's fate was very different because it was killed off at the end of the generation just one year before the ps2's successor giving 360 a one year head start. If Wii U is abandoned this year it will be at the start of this generation. Gamers demand a system that lasts the entire generation.

Nintendo could replace the Wii U and 3DS this year with an x86 console/handheld that absorbs the previous systems and still come out on top but that could also be a big expensive problem is PS4 continues it's trajectory for the next 4-5 years. I see no situation where Nintendo home console changes PS4's dominance. They would lose less money and reputation by staying with the Wii U for the rest of the gen.

 

But atleast we agree that the portable NX could do really well.



FromDK on 16 February 2016
RolStoppable said:
FromDK said:

Ok.. my mistake.. He called it "dedicated game platform" (between the lines.. for our (lets not call em hardcore) "dedicated gamers".. OK.. ? :)

When it comes to 3. party we dont agree.. We have to see that offcourse.. but I totally expect "NX" to have some steamlike.. origin..ish.. pc install whatever thing.. that garantee 3. party.. (Nintendo knows how important some of the 3. party games like star wars.. fifa and so.. are.. and they will not risk again to have non)

1. There is nothing inbetween the lines. A dedicated gaming platform means that the system's main purpose is to play games.

2. Nothing guarantees third party games, and Nintendo should know how unimportant most of them are when they look at the sales of those games on the Wii U. If they don't move hardware, then it doesn't matter whether or not such games are available. If they don't move hardware, then it's also not necessary to design the hardware specifically to get those games on the system, especially if such a design is detrimental to the chances to succeed. But who knows, maybe Nintendo is stupid enough to prioritize such third party support.

1. Yes.. Main purpose to play games.. I agree (But in the context he said it.. I would say that he also meant for old Nintendo owners.. meaning its not some casual handheld tv out system.. only capable of playing last gen game) But a nextgen Nintendo system (=all about games)

2. First you say that "Nothing guarantees third party games" and later that they could but that would be stupid..?.

And you do not think that having 3. party games on your system is important..?

Ok.. mayby we see it different.. And I respect you for your opinion.. just saying how I see it.. :)



snyps on 16 February 2016
JWeinCom said:
Hmmmmm... the Wii U is failing hard... how can we turn this around?

Let's replace our fairly successful DS line with a portable Wii U! And let people buy the same games over again!

Brilliant!

And you know how the Gamepad didn't sell the system? Now, let's let people pay more for an extra controller they don't like!

Brillianter!




As for Nintendo needing to protect their reputation...

1) Only 10 million people bought the Wii U. Most of those were Nintendo fans who were either simply happy they got their Smash, Mario, and Mario Kart, or fans so devoted to Nintendo that they'll buy the next one no matter what.

2) Assuming a 2016 holiday launch, Nintendo supported the console for 4 years. Nintendo usually supports their systems for 5. So, people are acting like Nintendo's pulling a Dreamcast, but it's just a slightly shortened cycle.

3) Are consumers really going to be that upset? The people who buy a slightly modified iPhone each year? The people who bought XBox One at launch despite the 360 having a 33% failure rate at launch? The people who support companies who lock DLC on disc? The people who buy a game that's broken at launch, and preorder the next game in the series? The people who buy season passes before they know what the content included will be?

Yeah. Consumers have a way shorter memory than you seem to think. If the NX looks cool, they'll buy it.

 

 

 

The 3DS needs a replacement. It's time. Calling it NX and giving it a big library of HD games is not something you can mock without looking foolish, though, good try. The ability for the portable to act as a second controller is a bonus and not a selling point for the Wii U. I understand there is an issue with buying games over again though. Not for me because I'm digital but alas you have made a good point.

 

As for Nintendo needing to protect their reputation...

1) Those fans that only bought it for smash or those that didn't buy it at all are looking for a reason to not buy the next Nintendo. I hear it all the time on the internet and irl. Give people a reason to feel high and mighty and they will take it.

2) It's not about how long the system was on the market to everyday consumers. Yeah Nintendo hardcore fans will understand that 4 years is enough. To everyone else (which is a lot of folks) a system must last the entire generation, no excuses.

3) Yes. Not people who love thier wii u, they would upgrade each year. Xbox one had a terrible adoption rate despite the ppl that had failed 360s got free replacements. And the people that buy broken games with on disc dlc are people that prefer to look cool and will hop on any hype band wagon and any hate band wagon.  Let's not even talk about Sega Saturn.

 

 

Would you share your prediction for Nintendo's successful launch of NX?