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Jranation on 15 February 2016
Hiku said:
Jranation said:

http://fireemblem.wikia.com/wiki/List_of_classes_in_Fire_Emblem_Fates - Looking at this list, there seems to be quite a huge difference

I was thinking of it in terms of compared to Fire Emblem Awakening. Some of them have also been renamed. Adventurer for example was called Trickster in Awakening.
Only 5 of the classes on the Hoshido side are new to the series.
I could make a list of the classes though, but It'll have to be at a later date.

"Excluding children, there are only five playable units shared between Birthright and Conquest" - http://www.usgamer.net/articles/seven-things-you-should-know-about-fire-emblem-fates

That's correct.

 

I was also thinking. Maybe in revelations you get all the classes? 



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Pineapple on 15 February 2016

I honestly don't see the problem.

If you buy either Birthright or Conquest, you'll get 28 main chapters plus some amount of side chapters (I'm assuming 13 from your graph).

For a comparison, the previous Fire Emblem games had

Awakening: 26 main chapters + 23 side chapters = 50 chapters
New Mystery of the Emblem: 25 main chapters + 7 side chapters = 32 chapters
Shadow Dragon: 25 chapters + 4 side chapters = 29 chapters
Radiant Dawn: 42 chapters
Path of Radiance: 30 chapters
Sacred Stones: 21 chapters + 9 alternate route chapters = 30 chapters
Blazing Sword: 31 chapters + 6 alternate route chapters + 6 side chapters = 42 chapters
Binding Blade: 25 chapters + 4 alternate route + 5 side chapters = 34 chapters
Thracia 776: 25 chapters + 2 alternate route + 7 side chapters = 34 chapters

So, the first Fates game you buy will have more chapters than any Fire Emblem barring Awakening, Radiant Dawn and Blazing Sword. It's most likely longer than Blazing Sword too, considering it had a large amount of extremely short chapters.

Then, with the second version you buy, you get roughly half as many chapters as the longest Fire Emblem games, at roughly half the price.

If you then buy the third version, and then after that somehow manage to feel that you've been scammed out of your money, then you're an idiot.

 

As someone who thought Fire Emblem was gone and dusted after Radiant Dawn performed poorly, and the not-quite-so-good DS games performed roughly as bad, I'm extremely pleased with getting a Fire Emblem game that's in size roughly 2.5 times the size of a normal Fire Emblem game. Having to pay twice the price of a normal Fire Emblem game doesn't seem so bad, because I'm getting more Fire Emblem.



tbone51 on 15 February 2016
KLXVER said:
CWegzz said:

I'm well aware of that, but I'm only paying $64 for Fates comparted to the $40 that I payed for Awakening for about 60% more content, so it's well worth it for me.

Well thats because you were fortunate enough to get the Special Edition. Others might not be so lucky.

Anyway, I dont really care that much since I dont play FE games. Many FE fans dont seem to mind, so Ill shut up.

Tbh I would and many others as well would be pissed if it were a Pokemon scenario. I mean at first glance it looked like we play the same exact game over again but on opposite sides which isn't the case. 

 

Besides Birthright and conquest represent awakening and traditional FE. Which seems like what this game was going for. Because many complained it's too casual (awakening) but Nintendo didn't want to s

Lose that new fan base of awakening! 



Jranation on 15 February 2016
Pineapple said:

As someone who thought Fire Emblem was gone and dusted after Radiant Dawn performed poorly, and the not-quite-so-good DS games performed roughly as bad, I'm extremely pleased with getting a Fire Emblem game that's in size roughly 2.5 times the size of a normal Fire Emblem game. Having to pay twice the price of a normal Fire Emblem game doesn't seem so bad, because I'm getting more Fire Emblem.

Thats alsso me! Who knows when the next FE game would come out. And this could be the last one on the 3DS, while the next would probaby be on the NX. 

 

Hiku said:
Jranation said:

I was also thinking. Maybe in revelations you get all the classes? 

Yes, you will have access to all characters, and therefore all the classes associated to them. Unless the Revelation story prevents you from having access to some character for some reason, you can count on having access to all classes there.

 

oooooh! First time hearing this! This is getting me even more hyped! 



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tbone51 on 15 February 2016
Hiku said:
tbone51 said:

Flawed out logic here.... Edit: too string here lol my bad! I meant some things missing... 

What if I told you conquest is superior and worth the price? Basically less content (because it doesn't have grinding feat aka extra maps) but overall Quality is way beyond awakening and Birthright?

There is a number of things not accounting here, despite you making good arguments...

I'm leaving people's definition of quality up to them.
I'm only quantifying and comparing content.

OK cool. Like I said you make good points. That said quality is always better than quality. 

 



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Iyasu on 15 February 2016

I'll either get the special edition or Conquest and the other to addons digitally for ~80€, whenever they come out in Europe that is.
The value is there, so I don't understand the complaints.

If you'd get the same content as Awakening spread out in three versions, or if it were just one story in 3 chapters, for 40€ each, then I'd be complaining!



Platforms: Wii U, New 3DS, PS4, PC

currently playing: 
 -Yoshi's Wooly World 
 -Pokemon X
 -Fire Emblem Fates 

Zone: Europe (Germany)

Pineapple on 15 February 2016
Hiku said:
Pineapple said:

I honestly don't see the problem.

If you buy either Birthright or Conquest, you'll get 28 main chapters plus some amount of side chapters (I'm assuming 13 from your graph).

For a comparison, the previous Fire Emblem games had

Awakening: 26 main chapters + 23 side chapters = 50 chapters
New Mystery of the Emblem: 25 main chapters + 7 side chapters = 32 chapters
Shadow Dragon: 25 chapters + 4 side chapters = 29 chapters
Radiant Dawn: 42 chapters
Path of Radiance: 30 chapters
Sacred Stones: 21 chapters + 9 alternate route chapters = 30 chapters
Blazing Sword: 31 chapters + 6 alternate route chapters + 6 side chapters = 42 chapters
Binding Blade: 25 chapters + 4 alternate route + 5 side chapters = 34 chapters
Thracia 776: 25 chapters + 2 alternate route + 7 side chapters = 34 chapters

So, the first Fates game you buy will have more chapters than any Fire Emblem barring Awakening, Radiant Dawn and Blazing Sword. It's most likely longer than Blazing Sword too, considering it had a large amount of extremely short chapters.

Then, with the second version you buy, you get roughly half as many chapters as the longest Fire Emblem games, at roughly half the price.

If you then buy the third version, and then after that somehow manage to feel that you've been scammed out of your money, then you're an idiot.

 

As someone who thought Fire Emblem was gone and dusted after Radiant Dawn performed poorly, and the not-quite-so-good DS games performed roughly as bad, I'm extremely pleased with getting a Fire Emblem game that's in size roughly 2.5 times the size of a normal Fire Emblem game. Having to pay twice the price of a normal Fire Emblem game doesn't seem so bad, because I'm getting more Fire Emblem.

That's interesting info. I will save it for future reference, thank you.

But keep in mind that Nintendo specifically compared this to Awakening. That's why I'm using Awakening's standard for comparison.

Awakening's main quest was 26 missions long.

If you buy all the three Fates games, the average length of the main quests will be 25 missions.

You'll have significantly fewer paralogues than you had in Awakening, but counting them as equally important chapters as the main chapters is fooling yourself. They weren't.

Effecitvely the difference in length is that the Fates games don't have the missions where you recruit your characters' children from the future.



Clyde32 on 15 February 2016
Hiku said:
Pineapple said:

Awakening's main quest was 26 missions long.

If you buy all the three Fates games, the average length of the main quests will be 25 missions.

You'll have significantly fewer paralogues than you had in Awakening, but counting them as equally important chapters as the main chapters is fooling yourself. They weren't.

Effecitvely the difference in length is that the Fates games don't have the missions where you recruit your characters' children from the future.

A chapter doesn't neccesarily signify a particular length. For example, Chapter 6 of Fates is extremely short. A standard playthrough on Youtube is about 9 minutes long. While a standard playthrough of Chapter 6 in Awakening takes 30 minutes.
Also, factor in that the first 5 chapters of each version of Fates is identical.

Let's at least not bash people and call them idiots if their sense of value for content differs from yours.

My point is subjective, but I think quality of the chapters also matters in this case. Awakening didn't have very good map design. From what I hear of Fates(Particularly Conquest), the level design is far superior. I don't care about the length of the chapters. I just care about how good they are. 

Besides we all know Radiant Dawn is still going to be the best one. 



tbone51 on 15 February 2016
Clyde32 said:
Hiku said:

A chapter doesn't neccesarily signify a particular length. For example, Chapter 6 of Fates is extremely short. A standard playthrough on Youtube is about 9 minutes long. While a standard playthrough of Chapter 6 in Awakening takes 30 minutes.
Also, factor in that the first 5 chapters of each version of Fates is identical.

Let's at least not bash people and call them idiots if their sense of value for content differs from yours.

My point is subjective, but I think quality of the chapters also matters in this case. Awakening didn't have very good map design. From what I hear of Fates(Particularly Conquest), the level design is far superior. I don't care about the length of the chapters. I just care about how good they are. 

Besides we all know Radiant Dawn is still going to be the best one. 

My man!  (Rd for life!) 



tbone51 on 15 February 2016
Hiku said:
Clyde32 said:

My point is subjective, but I think quality of the chapters also matters in this case. Awakening didn't have very good map design. From what I hear of Fates(Particularly Conquest), the level design is far superior. I don't care about the length of the chapters. I just care about how good they are. 

Besides we all know Radiant Dawn is still going to be the best one. 

Yeah, we can't really put a number on those things. And even then, people will have their own favorites, I'm sure.
But it does look like Fates has interesting maps from what I've seen. With the new dragon skills that can affect the terrein especially.

What I'm illustrating here mainly is how much of each version is a new game, rather than how good or bad it may be.

My biggest and kinda only complaint about awakening was the terrible map layouts. Conquest kills it. One reason why Ikes games are the best!