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Andir said:
Here's another way to explain the OP:

http://www.bitstorm.org/gameoflife/

Select Gosper Glider Gun, change the speed to Hyper and play.

To people that understand the simple logic behind the "Game of Life" it makes sense. Things have a pattern and simple rules.

To those that don't understand the patterns:

Wow, that thing up top creates living things, we will call it the Generator Of Dots (G.O.D.) It's mystical in nature and creates all these little living creatures!

And still someone created the original set of rules and pattern. Wow you proved that GOD does not exist! (/scarcasim)



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gorgepir said:
Andir said:
Here's another way to explain the OP:

http://www.bitstorm.org/gameoflife/

Select Gosper Glider Gun, change the speed to Hyper and play.

To people that understand the simple logic behind the "Game of Life" it makes sense. Things have a pattern and simple rules.

To those that don't understand the patterns:

Wow, that thing up top creates living things, we will call it the Generator Of Dots (G.O.D.) It's mystical in nature and creates all these little living creatures!

And still someone created the original set of rules and pattern. Wow you proved that GOD does not exist! (/scarcasim)


 Even if I did, it doesn't prove that he still exists... ;)



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Andir said:
gorgepir said:
Andir said:
Here's another way to explain the OP:

http://www.bitstorm.org/gameoflife/

Select Gosper Glider Gun, change the speed to Hyper and play.

To people that understand the simple logic behind the "Game of Life" it makes sense. Things have a pattern and simple rules.

To those that don't understand the patterns:

Wow, that thing up top creates living things, we will call it the Generator Of Dots (G.O.D.) It's mystical in nature and creates all these little living creatures!

And still someone created the original set of rules and pattern. Wow you proved that GOD does not exist! (/scarcasim)


Even if I did, it doesn't prove that he still exists... ;)


Depends on what you mean by GOD. GOD = the person who wrote the program and the set of rules, or GOD = G.O.D Generator Of Dots. The first one exists while the second one, doesn't exist in the normal form at least.



Wow, after spending the last few months trying to get the IRS to straighten out their mistake (they made a typo when transcribing one of my returns) I definitely believe in chaos... And the devil... Both are very believable to me now, having experienced them first hand.



Cheebee said:
Man that's far too long a read for me. :p Can't you summarize it? :p

The Universe runs on a foundation of 'chance' which connects (probably) through some (as yet unclear) link to more conventional 'macro' phyics that most people 'sort of' understand (a bit).

This may (or may not) mean that a complete understanding and determination of all cause and effect is impossible - i.e. if you understood every aspect of physics could you predict exactly what course a raindrop will track down a window?  Could you predict exactly when a star will go Nova?

 For myself I like the non-deterministic view since Chaos Theory first broke onto the scene.  Works for me - although I know many find it 'too freak' just as Einstein (rather amazingly) found Quantum theories 'freaky' hence the famous (and miss-quoted) line about 'God doesn't play dice'.  Its a pity - with his mind one wonders what he'd have worked out if he'd embraced Quantum physics and gave it his all?

Now somebody check how the cat's doing...

 



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Sqrl said:
Yeah, pretty much what I got out of it was that the author jumped to conclusions on a lot of issues.

While its true things like the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle do cause problems in quantum mechanics I think most people will notice that in their every day lives this doesn't really have an effect on them. Your car starts, or it has an explainable reason why it doesn't, etc....

I won't delve into it but suffice it to say it was interesting, but not exactly well informed on all accounts.

I would like you to delve into it, as that is why I posted.



"Back off, man. I'm a scientist."

Your theories are the worst kind of popular tripe, your methods are sloppy, and your conclusions are highly questionable! You are a poor scientist. Especially if you think the moon landing was faked.


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I prefer to deal with science where "the rubber meets the road" as it were. Maybe there is a practicality to this, but I don't keep my self up at night thinking about it. Sometimes I just scratch my head ad go back to looking at rocks. I'll concern myself with finding new sources of drinking water and telling people why they shouldn't build on a certain hill if they don't want a downhill mobile home. Maybe I'll also get the chance to tell people what the environment was in a certain area millions of years ago. i.e. you won't find me in Starbucks debating the universes mysteries with art and english majors.



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^I don't get the art and english majors comment.



"Back off, man. I'm a scientist."

Your theories are the worst kind of popular tripe, your methods are sloppy, and your conclusions are highly questionable! You are a poor scientist. Especially if you think the moon landing was faked.


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I think those are supposed to be the "useless" majors. But then, who else would try to find God by playing with fractals? (I looked at the website.) I would think that math and philosophy majors would know better.

At the same time though it is a good resource for some extremely interesting stuff:  http://www.fractalwisdom.com/FractalWisdom/fractal.html



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Well english isn't necessarily useless, these are just the kind of people you would find in a Starbucks talking about the that sort of stuff. Although, 4 year degrees in art history and psychology are about equally useless.

Talking chaos theory and fractals is one thing. Talking about what previous scientists thought about God is useless and it's a given that we will find out a lot more about the universe than they imagined. In any case I think when you mix up science, math, and God in a conversation about the universe it's just coffee shop philosophy.



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