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JRPGfan on 29 January 2016
shikamaru317 said:
spemanig said:
RolStoppable said:

You should realize that taking that path works against your initial premise (third parties won't want cards, therefore no cards). If third parties will complain about Nintendo regardless of what Nintendo does, Nintendo might as well go ahead and do what's best for Nintendo. So they'll go with cards as storage medium because it makes the most sense for them. There's no point in going digital-only when you can have both physical and digital options to buy software.

That's highly debatable imo. You say digital only positively impacts 3rd parties, but does it? Quite a few gamers refuse to buy digital games, so a digital only console means that 3rd parties miss out on those potential sales. You say that it positively impacts Nintendo, but does it really? Is it worth it being the first of the console makers to piss off retailers by going digital only, retailers could respond by giving them less shelf space and in-store advertising which could hurt hardware sales, better to wait out Sony and MS and let one of them make the first digital only console. Then there's the fact that Nintendo consoles are frequently bought by parents for children, parents buying for children often go physical, not digital.

I think a mix of carts and digital is the safest bet for Nintendo. Carts could run on both the handheld and console for the games that have crossplay, just like digital can. Both cart and digital match with the unified architecture that is rumored for NX.

 

^ Nintendo cant pull off a all digital console right now.

I think nintendo would be hurt more from all digital than Playstation or Xbox would.

I honestly believe it would kill them (Nintendo sales wise).

If NX is all digital I could see the NX selling less than the Wii U, and the NX handheld selling less than the 3DS.



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WoodenPints on 29 January 2016
JRPGfan said:
shikamaru317 said:
spemanig said:
RolStoppable said:

You should realize that taking that path works against your initial premise (third parties won't want cards, therefore no cards). If third parties will complain about Nintendo regardless of what Nintendo does, Nintendo might as well go ahead and do what's best for Nintendo. So they'll go with cards as storage medium because it makes the most sense for them. There's no point in going digital-only when you can have both physical and digital options to buy software.

That's highly debatable imo. You say digital only positively impacts 3rd parties, but does it? Quite a few gamers refuse to buy digital games, so a digital only console means that 3rd parties miss out on those potential sales. You say that it positively impacts Nintendo, but does it really? Is it worth it being the first of the console makers to piss off retailers by going digital only, retailers could respond by giving them less shelf space and in-store advertising which could hurt hardware sales, better to wait out Sony and MS and let one of them make the first digital only console. Then there's the fact that Nintendo consoles are frequently bought by parents for children, parents buying for children often go physical, not digital.

I think a mix of carts and digital is the safest bet for Nintendo. Carts could run on both the handheld and console for the games that have crossplay, just like digital can. Both cart and digital match with the unified architecture that is rumored for NX.

 

^ Nintendo cant pull off a all digital console right now (I think nintendo would be hurt more from all digital than Playstation or Xbox would).

I honestly believe it would kill them (Nintendo sales wise).

If NX is all digital I could see the NX selling less than the Wii U, and the NX handheld selling less than the 3DS Vita.

I agree with you.





Frogger on 29 January 2016
shikamaru317 said:

PC was eased into digital over the course of a several years, it wasn't an overnight "sorry, you have to buy digital now". Even now physical is still an option on PC for many of the bigger games. 

Also, as an Xbox fan I surely haven't forgtten what happened to MS when they tried to announce a DRM heavy console that would hurt things like used game sales and rentals. Console gamers want things like used games and rentals, that's why MS got so much hate after the initial Xbox launch. Do you really want to see Nintendo go through what MS went through?

The iPod didn't. It was absolutely an overnight "sorry, you have to buy digital now," and now Apple is inarguably the most powerful tech company in the world because of it.

The NX will be the same, only it won't be even remotely risky because PC, mobile, and ebooks have been getting people ready for it for over a decade.

I've already address the flimsy MS argument far to many times here to be worth going into it again. When rumors arise that the NX turns into a brick where you can't play games your console after 24 hours of not being connected to the internet, we'll talk about the situation being even remotely coparable. Until then, it's not.



JRPGfan on 29 January 2016

All I can say is nintendo is known for makeing bad hardware design choices.

*IF* they go all digital and it bites them in the a**, everyone will say "oh its not big deal, just nintendo being nintendo".

But this could really hurt them I feel.
I would be worried for nintendos survival if they announce a all digital console.



bigtakilla on 29 January 2016
spemanig said:
shikamaru317 said:

PC was eased into digital over the course of a several years, it wasn't an overnight "sorry, you have to buy digital now". Even now physical is still an option on PC for many of the bigger games. 

Also, as an Xbox fan I surely haven't forgtten what happened to MS when they tried to announce a DRM heavy console that would hurt things like used game sales and rentals. Console gamers want things like used games and rentals, that's why MS got so much hate after the initial Xbox launch. Do you really want to see Nintendo go through what MS went through?

The iPod didn't. It was absolutely an overnight "sorry, you have to buy digital now," and now Apple is inarguably the most powerful tech company in the world because of it.

The NX will be the same, only it won't be even remotely risky because PC, mobile, and ebooks have been getting people ready for it for over a decade.

I've already address the flimsy MS argument far to many times here to be worth going into it again. When rumors arise that the NX turns into a brick where you can't play games your console after 24 hours of not being connected to the internet, we'll talk about the situation being even remotely coparable. Until then, it's not.

Not to mention when you research digital sales on gaming consoles, they are on a rise.

http://attackofthefanboy.com/news/digital-game-downloads-continue-rise-earning-61-billion-2015/

Yes it says the sales are still relatively small when compared to total numbers sold, but more and more people are losing this "it has to be a physical copy" mentality.

Also, when thinking about how long eshops for all the gaming consoles have been around, I'd say the switch to digital only would have been the slowest move in history.





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se7en7thre3 on 29 January 2016

The digital beast will continue growing along with HDDs.

That said, 16-32 gb carts will be more than sufficient for the HH. For home console, the same carts + additional DL for superior/1080p assets. Hopefully Nintendo gets rid of the optical drive, they don't even use bluray move playback. Plus, they love their small consoles and having no disc really brings that down (may give back room to allow for a more powerful system?).



burninmylight on 29 January 2016
RolStoppable said:
spemanig said:

There's no other way to read that.

Because carts are significantly more expensive than disks of equal space value. If I'm EA and I'm developing Mass Effect Andromeda for XBO, PS4, and NX, let's say I'm making them all 100% equal ports, feature wise. Now it's time to maufacture. Let's say it costs $.10 per disk or whatever to manucacture one physical copy of the game on PS4 and XBO. It'll cost $1 for the same thing on NX in a good scenario because of carts. Now let's pretend that each port shipped 1m copies. That means EA spent $100,000 manufactuing disks for the PS4 version, and $100,000 manufacturing disks for the XBO version, but $1m manufacturing cartridges for an identical product on the NX.

Now obviously those numbers are made up. The difference could be more, or they could be less, but no matter what the difference in price will be significant. And that would royally piss of anyone trying to make money off a product. Unless you think Nintendo would be willing to lower their royalties per cart or artificially inflate the prices of carts just to accomedate them, third parties absolutely will not support a platform with carts. Not with multiplats.

So in your hypothetical scenario, third parties would choose to miss out on $30m because it would cost them $900k more to earn those millions.

In this hypothetical scenario, EA should just make the NX version digital only. If consumers are so ready and willing to adapt as claimed, it would work.



PerturbedKitty on 29 January 2016
spemanig said:
TheLegendofDS said:
Question from someone who really doesn't know much about hardware but could this be for SD cards?

Almost definitely. Still betting on digital only

Stop spreading this "digital only" propaganda.



burninmylight on 29 January 2016
spemanig said:
shikamaru317 said:

PC was eased into digital over the course of a several years, it wasn't an overnight "sorry, you have to buy digital now". Even now physical is still an option on PC for many of the bigger games. 

Also, as an Xbox fan I surely haven't forgtten what happened to MS when they tried to announce a DRM heavy console that would hurt things like used game sales and rentals. Console gamers want things like used games and rentals, that's why MS got so much hate after the initial Xbox launch. Do you really want to see Nintendo go through what MS went through?

The iPod didn't. It was absolutely an overnight "sorry, you have to buy digital now," and now Apple is inarguably the most powerful tech company in the world because of it.

The NX will be the same, only it won't be even remotely risky because PC, mobile, and ebooks have been getting people ready for it for over a decade.

I've already address the flimsy MS argument far to many times here to be worth going into it again. When rumors arise that the NX turns into a brick where you can't play games your console after 24 hours of not being connected to the internet, we'll talk about the situation being even remotely coparable. Until then, it's not.

 

You're comparing 99 cent mp3 downloads that can easily be purchased on a whim to $40-60 games. PC games = Steam, which runs sales on quality games for bargain bin prices all of the time, many of them fairly new. Ebooks are also on sale quite often, if not outright free because of modern library services.

If Nintendo decides to start offering extremely cheap games that can be bought on impulse or doing huge flash sales, then maybe it could work. But a digital-only console that requires $40-60 per game isn't as comparable to mp3 players, PC gaming and eBooks as you think.



PerturbedKitty on 29 January 2016
spemanig said:
JRPGfan said:

Too all those promoteing a all digital nitendo console.
I refuse to buy a all digital console. I like collecting games and haveing them on shelves.

Ive owned a nes,snes,gc,wii,wii u..... I wont buy a NX if its digital only, and I doubt im the only one.

 

I ll say this:

I miss cartridges. I really hope thats what happends, with their unified software ecosystem for their handheld/console, you cant just ignore physical releases for games imo.

There are not enough of people like you for Nintendo to care, to be frank. The amount of consumers Nintendo will gain in this move will exponencially eclipse the insignificant few consumers who will refuse to buy an all digital platform no matter what games they want comes out for it purely on principal.

I won't be buying nintendo's next console if it's digital only either. And if I'm saying that, you better believe that there will be a significant portion of people who feel the same. Yes, we are still a minority, but we are nintendo's core. And nintendo will need their core if they ever have another wii u situation. They also need their core to get their products off the ground. us early adopters convince other potential buyers to invest in their product.