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JEMC on 29 January 2016
Werix357 said:
Miyamotoo said:
Werix357 said:

Nintendo won't be using SD cards for games (unless they plan on giving their games away for free) but a propriety ROM.
(packaging is also a lot smaller), so shipping costs down and manufacturing costs up probably brings them back to even.


The other advantage of having cartridges is hardware will no longer have moving parts or need to make room for a disc drive.
So a home console around the size of an apple TV will be a possibility with the NX.

Also on a side note if Nintendo is using AMD hardware for the NX then there is little chance of the portable being released this year as AMD don't have a low power SoC that is capable of running a portable (at least not at today's standards) yet.

You are right, even 3DS does not use SD, it uses property ROM. 

AMD also has AMR technology, I actually think that ARM SoC (with easy porting from and at x86) provided by AMD will be in handheld and x86 will be in home console.

 

Yeah AMD has an ARM chip coming out but the first ARM CPU's are being made for servers not sure they have any other plans for them yet.

AMD/Nintendo wouldn't have many problems using those ARM processors for a console as they use the known A57 chips

http://www.amd.com/Documents/A-Heirofalcon-Product-Brief.pdf

They could go for the 4-core version and get rid of the extra stuff that's not needed on a console.



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bigtakilla on 29 January 2016
Miyamotoo said:
bigtakilla said:
Miyamotoo said:
bigtakilla said:
Miyamotoo said:

 

I wouldn't mind, but aren't SD cards more expensive than bluray as well?

Maybe just a little, Flash memory is becoming dirt cheap and when you buying millions of SD cards directly from manufacturer they are much more cheaper, also Nintendo could include wide variety of size of SD cards, from 4GB to 64GB depends on size of a game, you currently have Wii U games that have size from 2GB to 32GB.

 

True enough, but even if the cards are $1 more expensive than making a bluray, with as many millions of games Nintendo sells it would definilty add up. And no matter what, it would be far more expensive than ditching physical media altogether, and not having to need shelf space for games, or shipping costs, or manufacturing costs. Plus getting all third parties on board with getting a device to write to these memory cards (though that should probably be a part of the dev kits correct?...), and purchasing the cards... I don't know...

I'm just a little skeptical. It seems strange....

Having a proprietary card for games would cut back on piracy though.... 

$1 more expansive dont mean nothing if that is whole point of your next platform. Why you will not have shelf space for games!? 3DS has shelf space for games, this will be similar. I think for 3rd party won't be problem at all on which device they will write games.

Basicly you alredy have all this on 3DS, but this time it will be on home console too.

Also SD card means no optical drive and console that will be smaller and that need less power, all that means cheaper console and far more reliable console than any console with optical drive.

You have made great points for the vs bluray, agreed. They could corner the market on the first console with a 4K disk player, but that's definitely not Nintendo so that's not even a point.

But as far as download only it isn't about not having shelf space, it's a cost benefit from not needing shelf space. If it's a download only console, they would save the costs of needing shelf space. This also applies to the console needing less power and being smaller. All still true if it is a download only console. 

Who said anything about download only!? Nintendo will definitely not release download only console if huge majority of their sales are from physical games.

Just looking at this from all angles. Eventually consoles are going to be that way (download only) so Nintendo might just be the first to take the leap. 

But it would be pretty funny seeing how cartridges at one point in time being seen as a hindrance to games would again become the standard. 





Pavolink on 29 January 2016
jason1637 said:
tbone51 said:
How many NX rumors today?

 

3

That's 3 more rumors than games released on Wii U.





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Werix357 on 29 January 2016
JEMC said:
Werix357 said:
Miyamotoo said:
Werix357 said:

Nintendo won't be using SD cards for games (unless they plan on giving their games away for free) but a propriety ROM.
(packaging is also a lot smaller), so shipping costs down and manufacturing costs up probably brings them back to even.


The other advantage of having cartridges is hardware will no longer have moving parts or need to make room for a disc drive.
So a home console around the size of an apple TV will be a possibility with the NX.

Also on a side note if Nintendo is using AMD hardware for the NX then there is little chance of the portable being released this year as AMD don't have a low power SoC that is capable of running a portable (at least not at today's standards) yet.

You are right, even 3DS does not use SD, it uses property ROM. 

AMD also has AMR technology, I actually think that ARM SoC (with easy porting from and at x86) provided by AMD will be in handheld and x86 will be in home console.

 

Yeah AMD has an ARM chip coming out but the first ARM CPU's are being made for servers not sure they have any other plans for them yet.

AMD/Nintendo wouldn't have many problems using those ARM processors for a console as they use the known A57 chips

http://www.amd.com/Documents/A-Heirofalcon-Product-Brief.pdf

They could go for the 4-core version and get rid of the extra stuff that's not needed on a console.

I don't think it's that easy.





JEMC on 29 January 2016
Werix357 said:
JEMC said:
Werix357 said:

 

Yeah AMD has an ARM chip coming out but the first ARM CPU's are being made for servers not sure they have any other plans for them yet.

AMD/Nintendo wouldn't have many problems using those ARM processors for a console as they use the known A57 chips

http://www.amd.com/Documents/A-Heirofalcon-Product-Brief.pdf

They could go for the 4-core version and get rid of the extra stuff that's not needed on a console.

I don't think it's that easy.

Well, it's not "easy" to pick up THAT processor and remove the parts you don't want, but AMD could develop a "simple", reference based processor based on those same A57 chips for Nintendo.



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GribbleGrunger on 29 January 2016

I guess NX stands for Nintendo Xmas.



 

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Miyamotoo on 29 January 2016
bigtakilla said:
Miyamotoo said:
bigtakilla said:
Miyamotoo said:
bigtakilla said:
Miyamotoo said:

 

I wouldn't mind, but aren't SD cards more expensive than bluray as well?

Maybe just a little, Flash memory is becoming dirt cheap and when you buying millions of SD cards directly from manufacturer they are much more cheaper, also Nintendo could include wide variety of size of SD cards, from 4GB to 64GB depends on size of a game, you currently have Wii U games that have size from 2GB to 32GB.

 

True enough, but even if the cards are $1 more expensive than making a bluray, with as many millions of games Nintendo sells it would definilty add up. And no matter what, it would be far more expensive than ditching physical media altogether, and not having to need shelf space for games, or shipping costs, or manufacturing costs. Plus getting all third parties on board with getting a device to write to these memory cards (though that should probably be a part of the dev kits correct?...), and purchasing the cards... I don't know...

I'm just a little skeptical. It seems strange....

Having a proprietary card for games would cut back on piracy though.... 

$1 more expansive dont mean nothing if that is whole point of your next platform. Why you will not have shelf space for games!? 3DS has shelf space for games, this will be similar. I think for 3rd party won't be problem at all on which device they will write games.

Basicly you alredy have all this on 3DS, but this time it will be on home console too.

Also SD card means no optical drive and console that will be smaller and that need less power, all that means cheaper console and far more reliable console than any console with optical drive.

You have made great points for the vs bluray, agreed. They could corner the market on the first console with a 4K disk player, but that's definitely not Nintendo so that's not even a point.

But as far as download only it isn't about not having shelf space, it's a cost benefit from not needing shelf space. If it's a download only console, they would save the costs of needing shelf space. This also applies to the console needing less power and being smaller. All still true if it is a download only console. 

Who said anything about download only!? Nintendo will definitely not release download only console if huge majority of their sales are from physical games.

Just looking at this from all angles. Eventually consoles are going to be that way (download only) so Nintendo might just be the first to take the leap. 

But it would be pretty funny seeing how cartridges at one point in time being seen as a hindrance to games would again become the standard. 

Definitely way too early, currently that could seriously affect on sales (in negative way of course).





Frogger on 29 January 2016
RolStoppable said:

Will be great to see a physical storage medium being confirmed by Nintendo, then you'll finally stop with this.

It's simply too soon to go digital-only, nevermind the headaches with retailers (they would demand a significantly higher profit margin on hardware sales) and displaying NX in stores (a wall of games sells hardware better).

I'm not remotely worried of that happening.

It isn't too soon. Every single electonics media platform has a digital only offering aside from consoles. Nintendo will fix that. They've been all but confirming it for the past two years. Retailers would get over it like they got over every other digital only platform.

Here's what Miyamoto said in June 2014 on the subject of what, in hindsight, is obviously the NX:

"So, particularly with digital downloads now and the idea that you're downloading the right to play a game, that opens up the ability to have multiple platform digital downloads where you can download on one and download on another. Certainly from a development standpoint there is some challenge to it, because if you have two devices that have different specs and you're being told to design in a way that the game runs on both devices, then that can be challenging for the developer—but if you have a more unified development environment and you're able to make one game that runs on both systems instead of having to make a game for each system, that's an area of opportunity for us."

Miyamoto is literally saying that the unified platform is coming to light because of the advent digital downloads.

Keep dreaming about shared cartridges, though. I'm sure third parties will love that.



Frogger on 29 January 2016
bigtakilla said:

Just looking at this from all angles. Eventually consoles are going to be that way (download only) so Nintendo might just be the first to take the leap.

 

It's not too early at all. I'd say it's way past time. All your points about digital only are sound and are exactly what Nintendo have been moving towards. So obviously I agree with you there.



AZWification on 29 January 2016

But the NX is not going to get 3rd party support, so why should that matter....... Am I doing it right?



                
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