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Frogger on 29 January 2016
PerturbedKitty said:

I won't be buying nintendo's next console if it's digital only either. And if I'm saying that, you better believe that there will be a significant portion of people who feel the same. Yes, we are still a minority, but we are nintendo's core. And nintendo will need their core if they ever have another wii u situation. They also need their core to get their products off the ground. us early adopters convince other potential buyers to invest in their product.

 

There will be more than enough early adapters for people like you not to matter. All it takes is one game they want but can't have, and they'll drop their resolve. So, most likely, will you.



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Frogger on 29 January 2016
shikamaru317 said:

So you think Nintendo will release a digital only console, but one that can be played offline indefinitely after you download the game?  Sounds like it would become a major target for pirates to me. The 24 hour check-in requirement on the original DRM heavy XB1 was designed as an anti-piracy measure if I remember correctly.

I think? I know. DRM isn't exclusive to digital only platforms. Piracy isn't only an issue if you're digital only. The Wii U, PS4, XBO, 3DS, and Vita are all just as succeptable to digital piracy as the pre-launch XBO was. If Nintendo were going to impose harsh anticonsumer DRM policies, they'd be doing it now. Providing a physical option doesn't magically deter piracy.

But guess what! They aren't! I can play my Wii U games and 3DS games offline forever, and I'm already all digital. NX will be the same, because Nintendo isn't being run by self-destructive morons.



Frogger on 29 January 2016
burninmylight said:

You're comparing 99 cent mp3 downloads that can easily be purchased on a whim to $40-60 games. PC games = Steam, which runs sales on quality games for bargain bin prices all of the time, many of them fairly new. Ebooks are also on sale quite often, if not outright free because of modern library services.

If Nintendo decides to start offering extremely cheap games that can be bought on impulse or doing huge flash sales, then maybe it could work. But a digital-only console that requires $40-60 per game isn't as comparable to mp3 players, PC gaming and eBooks as you think.

Steam has plenty of full price $60 games and the eshop has plenty of sales and price drops. Let's not make shit up now.



Soundwave on 29 January 2016

I don't really mind either way. To be honest 30 seconds after "hitting start" I forget entirely whether I'm playing a physical game or digital game. Box arts/manuals suck ass these days anyway. Nintendo could release games on vinyl records and I wouldn't care as long as it doesn't alienate developers. 

Digital only could have the advantage in giving developers an extra $10-$15 of profit per copy sold since the retailer cut and shipping/manufacturing costs are axed from the entire equation.

That said, Nintendo is a fairly kid-oriented company that operates like a toy company in many ways. I don't know if they'll be so gung ho on a digital only set up just yet.



Frogger on 29 January 2016
RolStoppable said:

Have you looked at how third parties have been treating the PC? Console versions get prioritized despite what you claim to be an advantage. Third parties gladly go for physical media because the sales are so much higher than digital. Third parties may want all digital, but none of them is daring to make their games digital-only despite it already being possible on all eighth gen systems. They full well know that consumers wouldn't simply adapt, but instead migrate to the games that are still available in a physical format. That's why it would be suicidal for Nintendo to force a transition to all digital.

Third parties occasional treatment of PC has nothing to do with it being digital, and there are just as many instances where console ports are shitty as their are where PC ports are shitty. Any prioritization being done comes from the fact the PC is an open platform with an infamous ease of piracy, which is a non-issue for consoles. Don't try and skew the facts.

Now I can't believe I even have to say this, but if the PS4 or XBO were digital only, they would most definitely dare to support those playforms. Obviously. They support physical because its there. The music industry still supports CDs because they're there. The film and television still support DVDs because they're there. But as soon as a digital only alternative came out, they flocked to them. NX will be the same for console gaming. They may not dare going digital only on a physical platform, but they'll jump at the chance to support a digital only console, as long as the console itself is a marketable one. Which the NX likely will be.



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Frogger on 29 January 2016
RolStoppable said:

Why again is there still physical media produced for music and movies?

Because music and movies aren't anchored to hardware generations like console games are.



Frogger on 29 January 2016
RolStoppable said:

Really? I thought it's because people still want to own physical media.

Nope. It's because people still have the option to own physical media. If music and movies were tied to hardware the way games are, physical media would be dead for them now.



burninmylight on 29 January 2016
spemanig said:
burninmylight said:

You're comparing 99 cent mp3 downloads that can easily be purchased on a whim to $40-60 games. PC games = Steam, which runs sales on quality games for bargain bin prices all of the time, many of them fairly new. Ebooks are also on sale quite often, if not outright free because of modern library services.

If Nintendo decides to start offering extremely cheap games that can be bought on impulse or doing huge flash sales, then maybe it could work. But a digital-only console that requires $40-60 per game isn't as comparable to mp3 players, PC gaming and eBooks as you think.

Steam has plenty of full price $60 games and the eshop has plenty of sales and price drops. Let's not make shit up now.

Never said otherwise, and you know I'm not making this up. Of course Steam has plenty of full-price games. There has been what Nintendo considers a major sale going on in the eShops for three weeks now. However, Steam is ridiculous with the amount of full-price and AAA games that go on sale for absolute steals. That's what makes it so popular. People are much more willing to give up the option for physical and accept DRM for bargains.

Meanwhile, here's what's going on with the eShop right now:

http://www.nintendolife.com/news/2016/01/the_north_american_eshop_winter_warm-up_sale_concludes_with_15_more_discounts

 

Wii U eShop

3DS eShop

These sales are OK, but they aren't "OMG DROP EVERYTHING AND BUY!!" good. They aren't, "YOU CAN'T AFFORD NOT TO TAKE THIS OFFER!!" good. They aren't, "YES, I WILL GLADLY TAKE A DIGITAL ONLY CONSOLE FOR THOSE PRICES!!" good. If you scroll down to the comment section, you will find most of the readership disappointed in them. Those type of sales won't cut it for a digital-only console. Like I said, you can't compare $1 smartphone games to $40-60 console games.



Kennel83 on 29 January 2016

I love having my games cases with the artwork and such for collecting purposes, but I prefer digital games for the quick loading and not having to change discs. If I could have both, I would definitely go full digital. If not, I prefer cartridges than blu ray, I hate noisy consoles and discs are always noisier.



PerturbedKitty on 29 January 2016
spemanig said:
RolStoppable said:

Really? I thought it's because people still want to own physical media.

Nope. It's because people still have the option to own physical media. If music and movies were tied to hardware the way games are, physical media would be dead for them now.

And you want them to stop providing a format that people want... for what? lol you've got to be kidding me. People want physical media and you want them to stop supplying it because people just aren't fount to adopt it until these companies kill it artificially. That's just stupid. Why would anybody argue this? 

Honestly, I believe there will ALWAYS be a market for physical media.