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bigtakilla on 26 January 2016
Soundwave said:
bigtakilla said:
Soundwave said:
bigtakilla said:
Soundwave said:

There's nothing "amazing" about PS4 hardware. It's very dated hardware by this point. 

The Apple A10X coming out next fall is likely going to start to creep up close to XBox One performance, and that'll be in a damn portable form factor and those chips contrary to popular belief don't even cost that much to produce. They're like $40 a pop if that.

If Nintendo really wanted to they could have a portable capable of X1/PS4 ports really. Even by this fall. The Tegra X1 and Apple A9X processors are already in that ball park. 

 

I agree, there is nothing amazing about the PS4's hardware. What Nintendo decides to do, and whatever the budget they want to stay in will determine that though. Still from a hardware and software perspective they will be better equiped to go out into the market in 2017 unless they have some serious third party support. 

If they're launching in 2017 it better be something comparable to a PS FIVE ... not four. No one but the same tired group of 10 million Wii U owners is going to be impressed by a Nintendo PS4 ... four years late to market with 10 games to start with when the other two have like 2000 games. 

If you're Sony you just basically laugh at that and proceed to pick them apart with a price drop and moneyhat a few third parties (seeing as how you'll have like 60-70 million owners versus 0 for Nintendo, that's not going to be hard). 

The competetion couldn't be any easier for Sony this generation. 

 

Okay, now ask yourself who's going to take the time to make NX games look better? No one but Nintendo.

Either way Nintendo is screwed in that scenario. What exactly is the game plan here? To realistically compete against a PS4 that has 65-70 million unit headstart? They won't even be able to catch the XBox One. So basically as a console it's doomed to be no.3 no matter what. 

If you're launching in the 2017 and the console is supposed to be a "real" console, and not some accessory dock for the portable ... no one is going to be impressed by a Nintendo system that clocks in like a PS4. 

The only way I can see this working is if NX is basically a hybrid portable that doubles as a console as kind of a side thing, then at least it has an angle on the PS4. But if it's just a "console console" ... Nintendo may as well accept they're done in the console business in a serious sense. That is no competetion for a PS4 or even XB1 by 2017. 

 

I agree. Nintendo is in a race up a mountain and the competition is already half way up. Several more multiplats and a few months earlier isn't going to send the console flying off shelves. Their best bet is the most solid first party release window in Nintendo history, a hybrid console (or something completely new core crowds would want), it can't be any weaker than PS4 IT ABSOLUTELY NEEDS TO BE ON PAR WITH THE BEST SYSTEM giving the NX the same experience (framerate, resolution), it has to ditch the Wii name, and it has to have a decent amount of third party. Even then it's going to be a long shot.



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PerturbedKitty on 26 January 2016

regardless of anything that is being talked about in this thread, nintendo still makes the best games. lets all just take a moment to set aside our differences and recognize this fact.



JGarret on 26 January 2016
bigtakilla said:
Soundwave said:
bigtakilla said:
Soundwave said:
bigtakilla said:
Soundwave said:

There's nothing "amazing" about PS4 hardware. It's very dated hardware by this point. 

The Apple A10X coming out next fall is likely going to start to creep up close to XBox One performance, and that'll be in a damn portable form factor and those chips contrary to popular belief don't even cost that much to produce. They're like $40 a pop if that.

If Nintendo really wanted to they could have a portable capable of X1/PS4 ports really. Even by this fall. The Tegra X1 and Apple A9X processors are already in that ball park. 

 

I agree, there is nothing amazing about the PS4's hardware. What Nintendo decides to do, and whatever the budget they want to stay in will determine that though. Still from a hardware and software perspective they will be better equiped to go out into the market in 2017 unless they have some serious third party support. 

If they're launching in 2017 it better be something comparable to a PS FIVE ... not four. No one but the same tired group of 10 million Wii U owners is going to be impressed by a Nintendo PS4 ... four years late to market with 10 games to start with when the other two have like 2000 games. 

If you're Sony you just basically laugh at that and proceed to pick them apart with a price drop and moneyhat a few third parties (seeing as how you'll have like 60-70 million owners versus 0 for Nintendo, that's not going to be hard). 

The competetion couldn't be any easier for Sony this generation. 

 

Okay, now ask yourself who's going to take the time to make NX games look better? No one but Nintendo.

Either way Nintendo is screwed in that scenario. What exactly is the game plan here? To realistically compete against a PS4 that has 65-70 million unit headstart? They won't even be able to catch the XBox One. So basically as a console it's doomed to be no.3 no matter what. 

If you're launching in the 2017 and the console is supposed to be a "real" console, and not some accessory dock for the portable ... no one is going to be impressed by a Nintendo system that clocks in like a PS4. 

The only way I can see this working is if NX is basically a hybrid portable that doubles as a console as kind of a side thing, then at least it has an angle on the PS4. But if it's just a "console console" ... Nintendo may as well accept they're done in the console business in a serious sense. That is no competetion for a PS4 or even XB1 by 2017. 

 

I agree. Nintendo is in a race up a mountain and the competition is already half way up. Several more multiplats and a few months earlier isn't going to send the console flying off shelves. Their best bet is the most solid first party release window in Nintendo history, a hybrid console (or something completely new core crowds would want), it can't be any weaker than PS4 IT ABSOLUTELY NEEDS TO BE ON PAR WITH THE BEST SYSTEM giving the NX the same experience (framerate, resolution), it has to ditch the Wii name, and it has to have a decent amount of third party. Even then it's going to be a long shot.

I think it´s safe to say the´re ditching the Wii name.Nowadays it´s kind of a 'toxic' name, time to start fresh...and I also think the 'DS' name will be gone.





bigtakilla on 26 January 2016
JGarret said:
bigtakilla said:

 

I agree. Nintendo is in a race up a mountain and the competition is already half way up. Several more multiplats and a few months earlier isn't going to send the console flying off shelves. Their best bet is the most solid first party release window in Nintendo history, a hybrid console (or something completely new core crowds would want), it can't be any weaker than PS4 IT ABSOLUTELY NEEDS TO BE ON PAR WITH THE BEST SYSTEM giving the NX the same experience (framerate, resolution), it has to ditch the Wii name, and it has to have a decent amount of third party. Even then it's going to be a long shot.

I think it´s safe to say the´re ditching the Wii name.Nowadays it´s kind of a 'toxic' name, time to start fresh...and I also think the 'DS' name will be gone.

 

Good, the stupid names won't be missed.



bigtakilla on 26 January 2016
PerturbedKitty said:
regardless of anything that is being talked about in this thread, nintendo still makes the best games. lets all just take a moment to set aside our differences and recognize this fact.

 

Oh, all day. The glasses free 3D and gamepad are in my opinion two absolutely great additions, and maybe two of my favorite ever.



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JGarret on 26 January 2016
bigtakilla said:
JGarret said:

I think it´s safe to say the´re ditching the Wii name.Nowadays it´s kind of a 'toxic' name, time to start fresh...and I also think the 'DS' name will be gone.

 

Good, the stupid names won't be missed.

Maybe you´ll be interested in the discussions in this GAF thread: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1171059

There´s some good discussions, especially on the last pages.





PerturbedKitty on 26 January 2016
bigtakilla said:
PerturbedKitty said:
regardless of anything that is being talked about in this thread, nintendo still makes the best games. lets all just take a moment to set aside our differences and recognize this fact.

 

Oh, all day. The glasses free 3D and gamepad are in my opinion two absolutely great additions, and maybe two of my favorite ever.

i agree! they might be some of my favorites as well. the gamepad has so much untapped potential though. its sad. :(





burninmylight on 27 January 2016
PerturbedKitty said:
Soundwave said:
PerturbedKitty said:

youre participating in the hysteria, dont act like youre above it lol. this is like the third time ive seen you do this. recognize that youre playing in the mud just like the rest of us. 

im enjoying my wii u right now. if the nx were to come out this year (it isnt) i would get it the day it comes out and enjoy the fuck out of it. of course i would, as would my allies thunderbird, bigtakilla, and others. would you not agree that the timing is an important consideration when releasing new hardware?

 

The "hysteria" is the illogical belief that a system is some how "better" if it reaches some arbitrary date, which is bullshit. We know how Nintendo supports its consoles for the the final 11-12 months anyway ... it's basically barren (the N64 hillariously had ONE ... ONE fucking game from Nintendo for its final 12 months, GameCube was miserable its final 12 months, so was Wii). 

I don't see the "glory" in that 5th year, if Nintendo wants to skip that "12 months of shit" phase, hey great. 

I don't think timing in this case makes a huge difference. I doubt Nintendo is making a PS5-tier console either way, and if they're not then it's probably better to release earlier than later. 

soundwave.. take a deep breath with me here. ok, ready? *breathes in deeply* *breathes out*

alright, feel better?

the n64 from my memory had Dr. Mario, Paper Mario, and Mario Party 3. could be wrong, but i believe those were all 2001 releases. im well versed in nintendo games and their release dates. regardless, id agree with you about the last 12 months, everybody knows that. how could any company support their old console in the last year when preparing for the launch of their new one? thats where third party developers come in. 

anyways, i would respond to your other points, but im bored now. and i think we've already established that we are arch nemesis rivals who will rarely agree on anything. 

 

Making someone sound like a rabid madman when that person hasn't made any personal attacks against you or shown any sign of losing control; this is essentially putting them down and/or flaming.

Soundwave hasn't done anything to warrant that kind of response from you, unless you consider sound and consistent arguments based on evidence coming from sources that he has shown you to be bad  in some way. Basically, this post was in poor taste, and your little "Let's all be friends!" post that came later doesn't make up for that. If you're no longer interested in the discussion or have nothing more to add, then either say so, or don't respond at all.

You don't believe the NX is coming this year. We get it. The least you could do is acknowledge the evidence and reasoning of those who do believe so. Because right now, they sound a lot more grounded in reality than the people in your camp.



bigtakilla on 27 January 2016
burninmylight said:
PerturbedKitty said:
Soundwave said:
PerturbedKitty said:

youre participating in the hysteria, dont act like youre above it lol. this is like the third time ive seen you do this. recognize that youre playing in the mud just like the rest of us. 

im enjoying my wii u right now. if the nx were to come out this year (it isnt) i would get it the day it comes out and enjoy the fuck out of it. of course i would, as would my allies thunderbird, bigtakilla, and others. would you not agree that the timing is an important consideration when releasing new hardware?

 

The "hysteria" is the illogical belief that a system is some how "better" if it reaches some arbitrary date, which is bullshit. We know how Nintendo supports its consoles for the the final 11-12 months anyway ... it's basically barren (the N64 hillariously had ONE ... ONE fucking game from Nintendo for its final 12 months, GameCube was miserable its final 12 months, so was Wii). 

I don't see the "glory" in that 5th year, if Nintendo wants to skip that "12 months of shit" phase, hey great. 

I don't think timing in this case makes a huge difference. I doubt Nintendo is making a PS5-tier console either way, and if they're not then it's probably better to release earlier than later. 

soundwave.. take a deep breath with me here. ok, ready? *breathes in deeply* *breathes out*

alright, feel better?

the n64 from my memory had Dr. Mario, Paper Mario, and Mario Party 3. could be wrong, but i believe those were all 2001 releases. im well versed in nintendo games and their release dates. regardless, id agree with you about the last 12 months, everybody knows that. how could any company support their old console in the last year when preparing for the launch of their new one? thats where third party developers come in. 

anyways, i would respond to your other points, but im bored now. and i think we've already established that we are arch nemesis rivals who will rarely agree on anything. 

 

Making someone sound like a rabid madman when that person hasn't made any personal attacks against you or shown any sign of losing control; this is essentially putting them down and/or flaming.

Soundwave hasn't done anything to warrant that kind of response from you, unless you consider sound and consistent arguments based on evidence coming from sources that he has shown you to be bad  in some way. Basically, this post was in poor taste, and your little "Let's all be friends!" post that came later doesn't make up for that. If you're no longer interested in the discussion or have nothing more to add, then either say so, or don't respond at all.

You don't believe the NX is coming this year. We get it. The least you could do is acknowledge the evidence and reasoning of those who do believe so. Because right now, they sound a lot more grounded in reality than the people in your camp.

 

You accuse someone of flaming and then say this, all the while not bringing anything new to add or acknowledging our evidence and reasoning. Please practice what you preach, lol.



ninjapirate42 on 27 January 2016

I do think something is coming out this year. If it is a dual platform I'm guessing we'll see one part this year and one part next year.

I would be quite happy about it! I know a lot of the investors said they were impressed ages ago when these debates first began so that's a good sign that it should at least sell.