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zero129 said:

Im not mocking anyone that holds that view. I would like to understand what it is that makes PSVR so different then all the other VR units that makes it a non add on or things like the 32x, or the Sega Cd. I mean even sega classed them devices as add ons cos they needed a host system to function. So how they come to that view that this is any different just cos it allows you to extend your experiences is beyond me. Move and Kinect both allowed experiences that couldnt be had without them but yet they are still peripherals. But im not mocking it.

This isnt a battle like you say imo. Its more like one side taking marketing talk and believing it of what the rest of the world sees it as. In every sense of the word if Sony didnt have to say this, everyone would still be seeing this as it should be seen and thats as a VR add on for your PS4..

You might not consider it mocking, but "do you buy into the whole "Its its own gaming device" thing or do you see past the marketing talk??" is a pretty loaded question :p

Anyway, i think you might have missed my point. No one is arguing that PSVR is a genuinely separate entity, just that it can be treated like one in all but a literary scene. Imagine it like this:

If you have a banana that tastes like an apple, and you turn it into a pie, have you made a banana pie or an apple pie? Literally speaking, you've made a banana pie. But many will still eat it and go 'this is a lovely apple pie!'. They might not be literally correct, but it's not an entirely unreasonable statement. They're simply putting more value in their real-world perception of that pie than its literal definition. 

The above isn't a perfect example, but i think it carries the point across. Sony aren't claiming PSVR is a genuinely independent system, or that you don't need a PS4. Just that they're essentially going to treat them like two separate bubbles in the same bath. And yes, that does apply to other VR headsets. Arguable more so, since with something like Oculus you can choose the bath tub too

I should note that no, i don't fully share this perception. If forced to define it, i'd still consider it a peripheral (if one quite different to what i normally imagine as a peripheral). I'm just point out that someone treating it as separate (when its lack of independence isn't directly relevant to a discussion), isn't entirely unreasonable.



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GribbleGrunger said:

Let it go. Jesus. It does not add anything to PS4 games, it is a gaming system in its own right, runs VR games, but requires the PS4 to run. What is so difficult to understand?

Sony:

SCE America CEO Shawn Layden suggested as much in a recent interview with Forbes. “VR for us, it’s not a peripheral,” Layden said. “It’s not a, ‘here’s the latest way to interact with the game’ thing. It’s a platform. It has the ability to impact gaming the same way that smart phones [changed] cell phones… before it was ‘I can talk to a person, I can text a person, what more do I need?’ But then the smart phone came out and it’s like, wow, I can do all that in my hand? I think Morpheus is going to have a similar impact on gaming or entertainment consumption.”

End of discussion.

Sounds like exactly the same garbage that was being said about Kinect and Xb one by "some" Xbox fans, right up until the day MS dropped Kinect and pretended it no longer existed.

VR is a different way to experience games, like 3D is a different way to experience movies.





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RolStoppable said:

The OP has a somewhat coherent tone to it, and that's already more than you can reasonably expect from zero129 on most days. Of course the thread will have a "I am right and you are wrong" vibe to it, because PSVR is indeed not its own gaming device. After all, it doesn't work without a PS4.

If people think otherwise, they are free to provide a proper rebuttal. And if they manage to do that, the OP will be cornered.

But given the circumstances, proving the OP wrong isn't possible. There's simply no way to call something its own gaming device when it doesn't work without connecting to another gaming device. People who thought differently have to accept the truth, not play victim because their opinion isn't respected as a valid perspective.

Here's a simple explanation: Suppose someone asks you about PSVR and if he's ready to play if he buys the device. You will answer no, because a PS4 is mandatory for PSVR to work. You see, there are no two ways about this.

Well I don't think I can explain more than what GG as in this thread and others. It really depends on what angle you look at if from. GG is trying to say that the PSVR experience is completely seperate to the PS4 but requires the PS4 to operate. If you look at it this way he makes sense and the PSVR doesn't fall under the definition of peripheral.

I certainly don't think you should be condescending and I don't think zero should get a free pass for the thread because "that's what he always does".





zero129 said:
Zekkyou said:

You might not consider it mocking, but "do you buy into the whole "Its its own gaming device" thing or do you see past the marketing talk??" is a pretty loaded question :p

Anyway, i think you might have missed my point. No one is arguing that PSVR is a genuinely separate entity, just that it can be treated like one in all but a literary scene. Imagine it like this:

If you have a banana that tastes like an apple, and you turn it into a pie, have you made a banana pie or an apple pie? Literally speaking, you've made a banana pie. But many will still eat it and go 'this is a lovely apple pie!'. They might not be literally correct, but it's not an entirely unreasonable statement. They're simply putting more value in their real-world perception of that pie than its literal definition. 

The above isn't a perfect example, but i think it carries the point across. Sony aren't claiming PSVR is a genuinely independent system, or that you don't need a PS4. Just that they're essentially going to treat them like two separate bubbles in the same bath. And yes, that does apply to other VR headsets. Arguable more so, since with something like Oculus you can choose the bath tub too

I should note that no, i don't fully share this perception. If forced to define it, i'd still consider it a peripheral (if one quite different to what i normally imagine as a peripheral). I'm just point out that someone treating it as separate (when its lack of independence isn't directly relevant to a discussion), isn't entirely unreasonable.

But you see this is also the point im making and the point in my op when i said "Not really a problem since im sure what they meant is that they will support it" . What i meant is like you said, im sure they meant by it being its own device that they will support it as if it was its own device. But that still doesnt make it its own device since a PS4 is still needed. but users are taking what was said and running with it to claim it to be true.

Unless people are saying you don't need a PS4, i'd just assume they were speaking in the same context Sony is.



PSVR if priced right will be my VR & second gaming console this gen making me a multi console owner.

If you don't like that, that's fine. You're entitled to your opinion.



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RolStoppable said:
SWORDF1SH said:

Well I don't think I can explain more than what GG as in this thread and others. It really depends on what angle you look at if from. GG is trying to say that the PSVR experience is completely seperate to the PS4 but requires the PS4 to operate. If you look at it this way he makes sense and the PSVR doesn't fall under the definition of peripheral.

I certainly don't think you should be condescending and I don't think zero should get a free pass for the thread because "that's what he always does".

Yes, in that case it would be an add-on, but that wouldn't change anything significant for the purpose of this thread. An add-on isn't its own gaming device either.

 

It's not a device on its own but it's its own gaming device. If you consider it an add-on depends how much weight you put on the psvr experience. Then the topic gets subjective which is why neither opinion is wrong.



OneKartVita said:
PSVR if priced right will be my VR & second gaming console this gen making me a multi console owner.

If you don't like that, that's fine. You're entitled to your opinion.

 

Might I recommend a TI-84 as your next console purchase?



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ReimTime said:
OneKartVita said:
PSVR if priced right will be my VR & second gaming console this gen making me a multi console owner.

If you don't like that, that's fine. You're entitled to your opinion.

 

Might I recommend a TI-84 as your next console purchase?

What's that? 





OneKartVita said:
ReimTime said:

 

Might I recommend a TI-84 as your next console purchase?

What's that? 



A calculator you can use in statistiscs/calc classes.





zero129 said:
Zekkyou said:

Unless people are saying you don't need a PS4, i'd just assume they were speaking in the same context Sony is.

If you look to PSVitas post below yours i think you can see thats not the case. If it was then the wouldnt really be much need for this thread.

I can see your point, but unless OneKartVita isn't aware it requires a PS4, i don't see why we'd assume he's isn't talking in the same context as Sony ('How i shall treat it' > 'What it literally is').