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oniyide on 26 January 2016
zorg1000 said:
oniyide said:
zorg1000 said:

so let me get this straight, casuals were losing interest with those types of games on the Wii (which we already established is true, no matter the reason) so they should have made MORE of those games on a completly different system/s that cost more than the system/s they already own? So if stopped caring for those types of games on there Wii and DS they were going to care all of a sudden if they were MORE of them on Wii U and 3DS? makes no sense.

No ur twisting things around now.

They didn't lose interest in those genres, look at the total yearly hardware sales that I provided earlier, there was no massive decline in DS/Wii software which shows there was still active interest in those devices and their software. The sales just became dispersed between more and more titles instead of a select few.

In 2007, Guitar Hero III & Rock Band released.

In 2008, Guitar Hero: Aerosmith, Guitar Hero: World Tour, Rock Band Track Pack, Rock Band Track Pack 2, AC/DC Live: Rock Band Track Pack, Rock Band 2 all released.

In 2009, Guitar Hero: Metallica, Guitar Hero: Smash Hits, Guitar Hero: Van Halen, Guitar Hero 5, DJ Hero, Band Hero, The Beatles: Rock Band, Lego Rock Band, Rock Band Country Track Pack, Rock Band Track Pack: Classic Rock, Rock Band: Metal Track Pack all released.

As of May 2008 there were 2 instrument games, 1.5 years later there were about 20. Same goes for fitness games, dance games, party games, life simulators. The Imagine series had 6 releases in 2007, another 12 in 2008 & another 14 in 2009.

The market got over flooded so each game sold less while the overall sales remained relatively stable.

 

im not twisting anything around, you said what you said.

So the market got overflooded, fair enough. It doesnt matter if sales remained stable. Guitar Hero is a bad example what of games like Zumba or even Just Dance that went down year after year? So now we established that it was overflooded, wouldnt the Wii U and 3ds approach of LESS of those kinds of games so it wouldnt be overflooded have been a good thing? Especially since most of the releases were from the more popular ones from last gen anyway? But then you say Wii U and 3DS didnt have enough. Which is it? its either overflooded or needed more. 



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oniyide on 26 January 2016
zorg1000 said:
Soundwave said:

 

So what are sales of the new Guitar Hero like? I don't think they're anywhere close to 2008 levels even though there aren't many instrument games. 

But it's always some excuse ... well it wasn't marketed enough or the current systems are nice enough to casuals. If people want a game they go and buy it, it really isn't that complicated. 


Remember my original point that casual games are so far and few between on 3DS/Wii U so casuals never got the devices? That still applies and for all current devices. How many casual focused games are there on any 8th Gen console? The annual Just Dance title & Guitar Hero/Rock Band just finally showed up 2-3 years after the consoles launched. Casuals have not bought 8th Gen consoles in large numbers because they have no incentive to.

Guitar Hero and Rock Band died long before 8th gen started. ANd Just Dance has been on 8th gen consoles from the start, so what you said was blatantly wrong.

Edit: on a side note damn near every popular casual game, your Zumbas, Just Dances, Carnival Games, Nintendogs, Brain Training hell even Raving Rabbids got a follow up on WiiU or 3DS so that right there would have solved the overflooding problem. Why release generic mini game comp number 87 when you already released the one from the series people actually gave a damn about? You wouldnt. and all those games flopped or were meh, so if casuals didnt jump on board for there fav series what would have made them?



zorg1000 on 26 January 2016
oniyide said:
zorg1000 said:
oniyide said:
zorg1000 said:

so let me get this straight, casuals were losing interest with those types of games on the Wii (which we already established is true, no matter the reason) so they should have made MORE of those games on a completly different system/s that cost more than the system/s they already own? So if stopped caring for those types of games on there Wii and DS they were going to care all of a sudden if they were MORE of them on Wii U and 3DS? makes no sense.

No ur twisting things around now.

They didn't lose interest in those genres, look at the total yearly hardware sales that I provided earlier, there was no massive decline in DS/Wii software which shows there was still active interest in those devices and their software. The sales just became dispersed between more and more titles instead of a select few.

In 2007, Guitar Hero III & Rock Band released.

In 2008, Guitar Hero: Aerosmith, Guitar Hero: World Tour, Rock Band Track Pack, Rock Band Track Pack 2, AC/DC Live: Rock Band Track Pack, Rock Band 2 all released.

In 2009, Guitar Hero: Metallica, Guitar Hero: Smash Hits, Guitar Hero: Van Halen, Guitar Hero 5, DJ Hero, Band Hero, The Beatles: Rock Band, Lego Rock Band, Rock Band Country Track Pack, Rock Band Track Pack: Classic Rock, Rock Band: Metal Track Pack all released.

As of May 2008 there were 2 instrument games, 1.5 years later there were about 20. Same goes for fitness games, dance games, party games, life simulators. The Imagine series had 6 releases in 2007, another 12 in 2008 & another 14 in 2009.

The market got over flooded so each game sold less while the overall sales remained relatively stable.

 

im not twisting anything around, you said what you said.

So the market got overflooded, fair enough. It doesnt matter if sales remained stable. Guitar Hero is a bad example what of games like Zumba or even Just Dance that went down year after year? So now we established that it was overflooded, wouldnt the Wii U and 3ds approach of LESS of those kinds of games so it wouldnt be overflooded have been a good thing? Especially since most of the releases were from the more popular ones from last gen anyway? But then you say Wii U and 3DS didnt have enough. Which is it? its either overflooded or needed more. 

 

If you don't understand that there is a healthy middle ground between over-flooded & having constant droughts than i don't know what to tell you buddy.



When the herd loses its way, the shepard must kill the bull that leads them astray.

archer9234 on 26 January 2016
oniyide said:
zorg1000 said:
oniyide said:
zorg1000 said:

so let me get this straight, casuals were losing interest with those types of games on the Wii (which we already established is true, no matter the reason) so they should have made MORE of those games on a completly different system/s that cost more than the system/s they already own? So if stopped caring for those types of games on there Wii and DS they were going to care all of a sudden if they were MORE of them on Wii U and 3DS? makes no sense.

No ur twisting things around now.

They didn't lose interest in those genres, look at the total yearly hardware sales that I provided earlier, there was no massive decline in DS/Wii software which shows there was still active interest in those devices and their software. The sales just became dispersed between more and more titles instead of a select few.

In 2007, Guitar Hero III & Rock Band released.

In 2008, Guitar Hero: Aerosmith, Guitar Hero: World Tour, Rock Band Track Pack, Rock Band Track Pack 2, AC/DC Live: Rock Band Track Pack, Rock Band 2 all released.

In 2009, Guitar Hero: Metallica, Guitar Hero: Smash Hits, Guitar Hero: Van Halen, Guitar Hero 5, DJ Hero, Band Hero, The Beatles: Rock Band, Lego Rock Band, Rock Band Country Track Pack, Rock Band Track Pack: Classic Rock, Rock Band: Metal Track Pack all released.

As of May 2008 there were 2 instrument games, 1.5 years later there were about 20. Same goes for fitness games, dance games, party games, life simulators. The Imagine series had 6 releases in 2007, another 12 in 2008 & another 14 in 2009.

The market got over flooded so each game sold less while the overall sales remained relatively stable.

 

im not twisting anything around, you said what you said.

So the market got overflooded, fair enough. It doesnt matter if sales remained stable. Guitar Hero is a bad example what of games like Zumba or even Just Dance that went down year after year? So now we established that it was overflooded, wouldnt the Wii U and 3ds approach of LESS of those kinds of games so it wouldnt be overflooded have been a good thing? Especially since most of the releases were from the more popular ones from last gen anyway? But then you say Wii U and 3DS didnt have enough. Which is it? its either overflooded or needed more. 

That's logical. But do you usually come back to a TV series. Once it makes enough bad episodes. Or does something you hate? Usually no. And that's why these people wouldn't get a Wii U. Once X-Men 3 came out. I never saw any future X film. Because that turned me away. Regardless if they had good ones later.





zorg1000 on 26 January 2016
oniyide said:
zorg1000 said:


Remember my original point that casual games are so far and few between on 3DS/Wii U so casuals never got the devices? That still applies and for all current devices. How many casual focused games are there on any 8th Gen console? The annual Just Dance title & Guitar Hero/Rock Band just finally showed up 2-3 years after the consoles launched. Casuals have not bought 8th Gen consoles in large numbers because they have no incentive to.

Guitar Hero and Rock Band died long before 8th gen started. ANd Just Dance has been on 8th gen consoles from the start, so what you said was blatantly wrong.

Edit: on a side note damn near every popular casual game, your Zumbas, Just Dances, Carnival Games, Nintendogs, Brain Training hell even Raving Rabbids got a follow up on WiiU or 3DS so that right there would have solved the overflooding problem. Why release generic mini game comp number 87 when you already released the one from the series people actually gave a damn about? You wouldnt. and all those games flopped or were meh, so if casuals didnt jump on board for there fav series what would have made them?

Guitar Hero/Rock Band did not die out of lack of interest, they died due to their publishers milking them for all they were worth and releasing 10+ versions each over the course of 3 years. Overflooded, even though people still enjoyed those games, they weren't going to buy 5 versions of the same game in a year. I know Just Dance was there at launch, I never said otherwise, my words were, "the annual Just Dance title".

Good god, do I have to explain this again, this has got to be the third or fourth time now. On 3DS/Wii U, they launched with a couple causal titles then nothing for 8-9 months then a few casual games during the holiday then another 8-9 months before anything notable. And I also originally listed another 3-4 reasons why casuals did not move over to 3DS/Wii U such as price/marketing/design, there wasn't any single isolated reason, it was a combination of multiple factors.



When the herd loses its way, the shepard must kill the bull that leads them astray.

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oniyide on 26 January 2016
zorg1000 said:
oniyide said:

 

im not twisting anything around, you said what you said.

So the market got overflooded, fair enough. It doesnt matter if sales remained stable. Guitar Hero is a bad example what of games like Zumba or even Just Dance that went down year after year? So now we established that it was overflooded, wouldnt the Wii U and 3ds approach of LESS of those kinds of games so it wouldnt be overflooded have been a good thing? Especially since most of the releases were from the more popular ones from last gen anyway? But then you say Wii U and 3DS didnt have enough. Which is it? its either overflooded or needed more. 

 

If you don't understand that there is a healthy middle ground between over-flooded & having constant droughts than i don't know what to tell you buddy.

 

whats the healthy middle ground? what could they have added that would have made the casuals come back? Cause alot of people on this sit (you included) have said that casuals left BEFORE the Wii U and 3ds even came out because they werent being serviced, are we in agreement that that is wrong?



oniyide on 26 January 2016
archer9234 said:
oniyide said:

 

im not twisting anything around, you said what you said.

So the market got overflooded, fair enough. It doesnt matter if sales remained stable. Guitar Hero is a bad example what of games like Zumba or even Just Dance that went down year after year? So now we established that it was overflooded, wouldnt the Wii U and 3ds approach of LESS of those kinds of games so it wouldnt be overflooded have been a good thing? Especially since most of the releases were from the more popular ones from last gen anyway? But then you say Wii U and 3DS didnt have enough. Which is it? its either overflooded or needed more. 

That's logical. But do you usually come back to a TV series. Once it makes enough bad episodes. Or does something you hate? Usually no. And that's why these people wouldn't get a Wii U. Once X-Men 3 came out. I never saw any future X film. Because that turned me away. Regardless if they had good ones later.

 

funny you mention  Xmen becasue Days of Future Past was actually the best one in terms of reception and ticket sales so yes to answer your question i would if the series gets good again and you might be in the minority in terms of that. Also you have to like it in the first place, which is why games like COD and even NInty own staples continue to sell over years, the casuals the guys buying Zumba Fitness never really cared about gaming that much in the FIRST place so they were never gonna stick around, which I and others have said since the start of last gen and it came to fruition (although i didnt think the exodus would be that fast and much).



oniyide on 26 January 2016
zorg1000 said:
oniyide said:

Guitar Hero and Rock Band died long before 8th gen started. ANd Just Dance has been on 8th gen consoles from the start, so what you said was blatantly wrong.

Edit: on a side note damn near every popular casual game, your Zumbas, Just Dances, Carnival Games, Nintendogs, Brain Training hell even Raving Rabbids got a follow up on WiiU or 3DS so that right there would have solved the overflooding problem. Why release generic mini game comp number 87 when you already released the one from the series people actually gave a damn about? You wouldnt. and all those games flopped or were meh, so if casuals didnt jump on board for there fav series what would have made them?

Guitar Hero/Rock Band did not die out of lack of interest, they died due to their publishers milking them for all they were worth and releasing 10+ versions each over the course of 3 years. Overflooded, even though people still enjoyed those games, they weren't going to buy 5 versions of the same game in a year. I know Just Dance was there at launch, I never said otherwise, my words were, "the annual Just Dance title".

Good god, do I have to explain this again, this has got to be the third or fourth time now. On 3DS/Wii U, they launched with a couple causal titles then nothing for 8-9 months then a few casual games during the holiday then another 8-9 months before anything notable. And I also originally listed another 3-4 reasons why casuals did not move over to 3DS/Wii U such as price/marketing/design, there wasn't any single isolated reason, it was a combination of multiple factors.

People lost interest BECAUSE they were being milked. Thats common sense, other wise the newer GH and RBs would be doing much better, but they are not even though they had a break for years. Genres die out and get less popular. 2d platformers ruled the roost now if it isnt made by Ninty good luck at retail. And you're still wrong about Just Dance because all systems have been getting them annually, except maybe last gens. 

We're gonna have to agree to disagree then, if they released more casual titles they STILL would not have come back for reasons you already listed, especially since the more popular ones did get released and flopped but you keep ignoring the flop part, had they actual sold you would have an argument.





Anfebious on 26 January 2016

Fucking casuals, you ruined our gaming haven.



"I've Underestimated the Horse Power from Mario Kart 8, I'll Never Doubt the WiiU's Engine Again"

oniyide on 26 January 2016
Anfebious said:
Fucking casuals, you ruined our gaming haven.

 

they had there fun and they left...i respect it.