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BraLoD said:

Pretty much like the 3DS has the N3DS. DS to 3DS is more like GB to GBA, which are also counted as separated generations.

 


The GBC was meant to be like the 3DS to N3DS but difference between it and the GB is like the DS to 3DS, that's why it sold on an extended level it was essentially a successor.



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zorg1000 said:

I found these sales figures to be pretty interesting.

From April 1989-March 1995, Gameboy+SNES shipped 81.04 million

Do you have a URL for these old numbers? Nintendo's pretty informative chart only goes down to 1998:

https://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/library/historical_data/pdf/consolidated_sales_e1509.pdf





Conina said:
zorg1000 said:

I found these sales figures to be pretty interesting.

From April 1989-March 1995, Gameboy+SNES shipped 81.04 million

Do you have a URL for these old numbers? Nintendo's pretty informative chart only goes down to 1998:

https://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/library/historical_data/pdf/consolidated_sales_e1509.pdf



I can't post links with this phone, but just Google "Nintendo yearly shipments" and the first link is a neogaf thread by aquamarine with all the numbers.





When the herd loses its way, the shepard must kill the bull that leads them astray.

BraLoD said:
zorg1000 said:
BraLoD said:

You are talking as if the 3DS did not also got Pokemon. The 3DS even got another two massive franchises exclusively for it as Yokai Watch, a new hit like Pokemon to the GB and Monster Hunter, a very consolidated franchise.

The 3DS will end up with at best 2/3 of the GB and the WiiU 1/3 of the SNES.

There you can see the answer of why one duo was good and the other was not so much.

Those later system had the power to keep seeling for that long, it's their merit, not an excuse.

It's like saying the Wii is actually best than the PS2 because it sold a ton very fast then died, and the PS2 sold a lot for way longer, even after it cycle had a sucessor, but that's PS2 merit and Wii fault.

 

Yes it has Pokémon but the series has declined from the 90s and is now 20 years old, I'm talking about a brand new IP that become a worldwide phenomenon, 3DS does not have that. Yokai Watch & Monster Hunter are big in Japan but nowhere near as big as 90s Pokémon and are both niche outside of Japan.

3DS+Wii U are on track to ship 11 million this fiscal year which is better than GB+SNES did in FY ending March 1995. It's a similar situation, both devices were in decline and set to get replaced in the next 2 years, those systems did not have the power to keep going without a surprise miracle  hit. Nintendo had a surprise miracle hit franchise release that went on to sell over 60 million over the course of the following 5 years which caused Nintendo to keep Gameboy on the market without a successor for a second generation.

3DS+Wii U will not come close to total GB+SNES sales, but that's not the point of the thread, the point is that Nintendo has sold a similar amount of hardware in the 8th generation as they did in the 4th generation. Despite GB/GBC being blocked together as a single device, they still belong to separate generations and in order to have accurate generation to generation comparisons than GB sales need to be divided up between which generstion they fall in.

Well you pretty much answer your question in the first line, it's a decline. That's it.

I know the point is a yoy comparision, but it's pretty useless if the LTD will not compare at all, 4th gen beat 8th gen and that's it.

It's a decline. People talking about the GB and SNES being a golden age are not wrong at all and 8th does stand against it.

It's ok you did a comparision at the same time, but it's very obvious those were two pretty different generations for Nintendo.

 

There is no way to have an accurate generation vs generation comparison with a two generation device unless u separate it's sales by generation.

And what Gameboy sold from 1998 onward is irrelevant to Nintendo's market position from 1989-1995, which is what I'm comparing.



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Aside from ignoring the Game boy color, you are comparing 2 very different points in the indutry's lifespan.

The gameboy and snes existed in a time where they were following the industry's growth out of the not-so-long-ago crash. Basically, the gameboy and the snes had a much harder time selling because the industry itself was a lot smaller than it is now. They were the leaders of both respective sectors with a huge market share on the industry.

Now however, the industry has grown significantly, allowing for consoles to reach higher numbers easier.

comparing sales of 30 years ago is not a good metric of performance since the industry has greatly shifted since then



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Super NES didn't launch in the West until 1991 (and I don't think in Europe until 1992), so you're kinda cutting the SNES short by drawing 1995 as some arbitrary cut off point.

Game Boy sales were a bit of an anomaly at this time too as the brand had weak sales in 94/95 (this is the only reason a crazy idea like the Virtual Boy was allowed) ... after Pokemon, GB sales would stabilize more to the portable shipments that Nintendo is accustomed to.

Interesting little point -- from 1990-1996, Japan was the worst market for the Game Boy by a large margin, and Europe was the best.

Nintendo was still selling a crazy amount of NES hardware too during this time period. They sold almost 12 million NES in North America alone from April 1990-April 1996 for example. 

This is kinda hard to compare, because the NES for example didn't even have its peak shipment in Europe until 1991/92 for example. Nintendo sold another 23 million (roughly) from April 1990-April 1996. 

So really between April 1990-April 1996 I have approx. 109 million in hardware shipments (NES/SNES + Game Boy). 

Numbers based on this:

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=701305



Soundwave said:

Super NES didn't launch in the West until 1991 (and I don't think in Europe until 1992), so you're kinda cutting the SNES short by drawing 1995 as some arbitrary cut off point.

Game Boy sales were a bit of an anomaly at this time too as the brand had weak sales in 94/95 (this is the only reason a crazy idea like the Virtual Boy was allowed) ... after Pokemon, GB sales would stabilize more to the portable shipments that Nintendo is accustomed to.

Interesting little point -- from 1990-1996, Japan was the worst market for the Game Boy by a large margin, and Europe was the best.

Nintendo was still selling a crazy amount of NES hardware too during this time period. They sold almost 12 million NES in North America alone from April 1990-April 1996 for example. 

This is kinda hard to compare, because the NES for example didn't even have its peak shipment in Europe until 1991/92 for example. Nintendo sold another 23 million (roughly) from April 1990-April 1996. 

So really between April 1990-April 1996 I have approx. 109 million in hardware shipments (NES/SNES + Game Boy). 

Numbers based on this:

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=701305

The reason for the odd spikes in sales back in the 90s for Europe was the buggered treatment we got from gaming, we'd often get games a year and a half to 2 years later. Gaming for many Europeans was a casual affair if you were consoles in the 80s and early 90s, a large number of games even skipped the region, today you don't really get as many staggered releases or they're nowhere near as bad unless the company is called Namco, so sales in the modern era would have more stability in their patterns.

The's also the case of the releases in EU weren't straight forward, countries were customers in a que with a number this is why NES had 2 launches in EU with the first in 86 and the second in 87, I'm glad Sony ended that shit as that's something no one can take away from them they brought out a more stabel release approach.



The GB had a slow start and then it sold a lot so the 3DS won't be able to beat the GB..



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Soundwave said:

So really between April 1990-April 1996 I have approx. 109 million in hardware shipments (NES/SNES + Game Boy). 

Numbers based on this:

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=701305

Yeah, I get to the same 109 million hardware shipments in this time frame.

Added the old numbers from this thead to Nintendo's official numbers since 1998 and get this graph of total hardware shipments:

1994 + 1995 with ~10 million units each are the lowpoints after the '80s, last year's 12.6 million units aren't that far away and this fiscal year they could reach 10 million again.



Conina said:
Soundwave said:

So really between April 1990-April 1996 I have approx. 109 million in hardware shipments (NES/SNES + Game Boy). 

Numbers based on this:

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=701305

Yeah, I get to the same 109 million hardware shipments in this time frame.

Added the old numbers from this thead to Nintendo's official numbers since 1998 and get this graph of total hardware shipments:

1994 + 1995 with ~10 million units each are the lowpoints after the '80s, last year's 12.6 million units aren't that far away and this fiscal year they could reach 10 million again.

 

Well if u add late life NES ales than its only fair to add in late life Wii/DS sales.



When the herd loses its way, the shepard must kill the bull that leads them astray.