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Is abused and should be only thumb up 15 23.44%
 
Is abused and should be given as privilege 4 6.25%
 
Is abused and those who a... 8 12.50%
 
Is what it is, and reflec... 37 57.81%
 
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padib said:

If you legitimately disagree with me, then I am ready to explain why it's correct. That doesn't make my projection dumb simply because you disagree.

But most importantly the issue I raised is that the comment that replied to me basically said the exact same thing I did...

To help you understand why it's front-loaded, think of the market as a set of people. Said people buy the console at various times in the gen, but ultimately there is a cap on how many people will buy the machine. The only way the numbers could not be front-loaded is if the cap massively grew, proportionally speaking. Is this something you would agree with?

If so, what would be the reasoning behind it?

To me, that position is untenable.



Why wouldn't it grow? The sales numbers comparing LTDs in the same timeframe for PS3 and PS4 in certain Asian and ROW countries show that there definitely was a growth in that cap, the gap is too much to attribute to front-loading. It is only normal for this to happen as less developed (whether they are still less developed or not) countries get in on these things later than the other ones. The only question is whether the cap in already established markets became lower or not and you're probably never going to find that out because either:

A) There is a decline that could hint at that but at the same time causes Sony/MS to come out with a new console, cutting the gen shorter and messing up the generational gap (if after 6 years there is a big advantage for this gen but is something like 20M behind the last one, how is that front loaded?)

B) there is no decline, or one not big enough, in which case the gen lasts as long as the previous. But in that case,  they weren't front loaded because they keep on selling all those years.

The only discernible cap loss so far lies with the Wii's casual audience. And the Wii wasn't in the article.

Furthermore..it is even less worth arguing such a thing when you consider that these numbers don't actually represent the cap properly. Example:

Gen 1 sells a total of 170M. 50M only bought console A, 50M only bought console B. 35M bought both consoles. The cap here is 135M.

Gen 2 sells a total of 160M. 70M only bought console A. 40M only bought console B. 25M bought both consoles. Cap is 135M as well.

If you want to talk caps you need to work with significant margins of error and uncertainty. And you should have said something else entirely instead of saying it's front loaded because that's not really what you're saying. Replace it with "I don't think this gen would be able to outpace the previous forever because something something" and it's much better. There are easy ways of explaining why X1 won't outpace 360, why PS4 won't outpace PS2, etc, and it's not saying "this one is front loaded".



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AZWification said:

Why does this matter though?

I'm thumbing down all comments. Then I'll upvote them. 

#WasteOfTime





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I'm usually more concerned over the waste of precious internet bandwidth caused by useless rants of triviality over self-validation.

EDIT: Your poll sucks.  :::thumbs down:::



Thumbs down system? Not that big of a deal. I find "Report" abuse much more concerning. It's all about "opinion" control by means of censorship. And unlike the thumbs down system in which you can at least see how many people thumbed you down, the report function data is completely inaccessible. Is the perfect tool for many people to keep unpopular opinions at a minimum. Of course, the thumb system is completely automated while reports have to go through intermediaries, but... I'll leave it at that.



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Did people disliking a generic comment really bother you enough to make a thread about it..?

Edit: Disliked to be a dick. But I'm sure you only did this to call attention to yourself more than anything else



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People care about the voting system?



This is one of the shortfalls of a like/dislike system so being limited to articles only is fine, as I don't really need to see it incorporated into the forums. That said there are positives about having this, but I think it's fine the way it is now



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padib said:

I want to raise an issue in the comments section which makes it really unpleasant to post.

It appears that some people make it a game to thumb down comments that say something valid based on their dislike for a user. I have come to that conclusion because I have stated the same exact thing as another person, but because I am perceived as negative my comment is voted down.

Here is a perfect example:

http://www.vgchartz.com/article/262883/ps4-and-xbox-one-vs-ps3-and-xbox-360-aligned-sales-comparison-december-2015-update/

This article talks about how the PS3 and Xbox360, together, fair against the PS4 and Xbox One. It is more than obvious from the graph that the PS4 and Xbox One have sold much faster, much sooner, and it is very likely that the sales are thus front-loaded and will be in a very different curve going forward as compared to last gen. Thus, I commented that this gen is much more front-loaded.

Perhaps someone might think: "It's front-loaded but that's only part of the answer. It will also have great legs." In which case, fair, my answer is not complete. However, how does that warrant a thumbs-down? At worst no vote, answer is valid but incomplete. But thumbs down? It has nothing to do with what was commented but with who commented.

The reply, which was thumbed up, says that what I said is possibly true. I thumbed it up, personally, because it was a fair answer. And I also agree with it. The sales will be high, but it will look like a nose-dive compared to the monstrous early sales.

So the reply gets 3 votes up, despite basically agreeing with me, it would seem because this poster is favorable to Playstation.

Out of annoyance I voted myself down, which I often do to, to emphasize how moronic I find those down-thumbers to be.

Bottom line is that I think that some people have an undeserved right to vote down. Perhaps the voting system should only be granted to ambassadors, or to people who earned the right to use the voting system.

This is my suggestion, but ultimately my point is that there is an abuse of the thumb voting system.

What do you people think?

(For another example of failed downvote/upvote behavior, see article http://www.vgchartz.com/article/262747/best-playstation-4-game-of-2015/, shikamo comment and replies)

 

The bold part isn't possible. It can't be front loaded and have great legs.

You got thumbs downed because people disagreed with your statement. Don't be such a baby, you're lucky threads don't can't be thumbed down.



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padib said:

I want to raise an issue in the comments section which makes it really unpleasant to post.

.....

What do you people think?

Actually, I think you're on to something.  I just checked the original article and found this:

The system must be broken because I don't think there are that many people in the world to down vote you...



They should change it to 'agree, disagree system'.