Then give me examples of those choices. Tell me, how exactly is someone who was too poor to go to college going to "choose" to get the education required to get a decent paying job in the first place? How is someone who grew up in abusive household going to "choose" to suddenly undo all the years of trauma and suddenly be able to work with people well enough to hold a well paying job? How is someone who has to spend time taking care of routinely sick or troubled family members supposed to save enough in order to move up in the world? Simply abandon them? Work even more?

You are vastly overestimating the ability of those in the lower class to choose what they do with their life. The girls you've referenced were geniuses. They were the ones who were smart enough to get colleges to notice and offer scholarships to them. Not everyone is that intelligent. Not everyone's parents care that much, not everyone will be lucky enough to get teachers (especially in public school) that explain to them how impactful these years are on the rest of their life. Not everyone is rich enough to afford college in the first place.

I know most of us are surprised they stay there. However, you do know a lot of them end up getting stuck with whoever they are. 

Not only that, but the ones who try to escape india can get in trouble.

I don't think many people understand- even if they did go to school, the condition of where they are makes it extremely difficult for them to find a job.

If your view is truly "let those with power dominate the weak," then I suppose, congratulations. You've officially become the final boss of Metal Gear Rising.

As for excuses, I think, at the very least, we should recognize why some people are routinely poorer than others and work off that as a result. We shouldn't pretend, though, that these people were given the same opportunities.

I'll do just those but in return we must acknowledge that becoming wealthy is ANYONE'S game ... 

The economy and to a bigger extent the world is cruel, unsympathetic, and relentless but it is fair since it does not unconditionally favour anyone ... 

In their particular situation, they should try to save up to get out of the country. Once out, she can pay for schooling by stripping or doing the whole web cam or try to get a student loan and work regular job to pay for everything. Do what you got to do to better your life.

While I have no problem with the rich being rich, I find it worrying that 3.5 billion have less wealth than the amount of a few dozen people.

You nailed it, sherlock. Work harder or more. People can't change their past but they can change their future with their actions here in the now. What do you or anyone else do when you're in a bad situation? Persevere past it or adapt to the situation. The only other option is just let despair take you and give up.

No, I'm not. I just see the pontential in others and how much actual choice someone has. You're not gonna convince me that poor people are chained to their fate. They can overcome it on their own by using their mind and maybe with a little help from some friends.  

Some examples of choices? Here's a few. Using hard drugs or not. Drinking heavily. Being irresponsible with money. Assuming you know enough. Dropping out of school. Having kids when you really shouldn't. Breaking the law.  Partying. 

Ok, so you work part time at another low paying job (let's say you go from 8 hours a day to 12). As a result, you earn slightly more, but, since its a low paying job, you're not getting anywhere close to moving up in terms of class, you have no time for relationships or networking, or making friends, or taking care of children (if you have them), meaning that any potential children are receiving a terrible upbringing. This person has officially accomplished next to nothing, and, as a result, is probably overworking himself, which will likely require more medical expenses later on in life, thus draining whatever additional income he made now.

The potential that you're referring to just simply isn't relevant until people get the training they need. Everyone has potential, but it doesn't matter until it's honed. As someone whose volunteered in low income neighborhoods and underfunded public schools, I can tell you that all the potential in the world doesn't matter without a good bit of luck coming your way. Even the lower income kids that make the best of choices are oftentimes simply left with no real hope outside of working a $10 an hour job and staying at the same income level as their parents. Not poverty, but by no means able to escape simply being poor.

Many kids avoid these choices. Others find themselves in positions where they're already addicted by the time they grow up, because their parents fail to communicate that drugs are bad, or because their parents themselves get them addicted. In addition, many people grow up with such a survival mentality that the very concept of saving money is completely foreign to them. IPJ published a paper not too long ago referencing how big of a problem this is.

Your position strikes me as one with an abject lack of mercy or care for anyone else. Even IF these people were totally ruining their lives entirely of their own accord, we should still be seeking to help them, not simply ignoring rampant problems in our society and dismissing it as a matter of choice.

Dysgenic social engineering is exactly what it is haha. I like that phrase. One thing I did not mention is they basically in the 70s and 80s built suburb for umemployed people. So government housing that these people get to rent cheaply (like about 10%-20% market value). But because they are all lumped together they create their own little culture and a cycle of no hopers.

The smarter thing to do would have been to buy out houses in regular suburbs and spread them around before they become so fucked up. If these people saw postive people around them then they too in theory would have bettered their lives because it would not seem unatainable.  Saying that I did watch a movie (from Netherland i think) called the Flodders, they did just that but it did not go so well. Not sure if it was because it was a comedy but surely there is some truth to it. ALthough I have seen evidence of people whowere not dumped in those sububs who have improved their lives because of postives around them.

I think there is a reason the system is counter productive. The government want you to work till you die lol. The longer you work the more taxes you pay and then they don't need to fund you a pension (i think everyone who worked hard deserves one so I am happy to pay these people) but ironically will use your taxes to fund the people who have never worked in their lives. They create this artifical spot so for you to get out of that mindset of why do i even bother going higher is hard as you need a significant promotion to get over that hurdle.

Indeed a very poor typo there haha. GLad you know what I meant lol.

I come from a communist country and on paper communism works, and in practice everyone did have a job. But like any society I guess there is corruption, except under communism it seems to be more open about it then the corporate world that hides it well.

Coroporate subsidies and luck  I didn't even bother touching on as that is aa difernt league of its own. I was more focusing on that most common people in a developed country can make it out of what we consider the poverty line and live a comfrotable life whether they are a white collar or blue collar worker. Luck does play a bit in that as sometimes it comes down to being in the right place at the right time. But what I found is over my career so far, sometimes your luck is up (i.e. when I lost my job unexpectdly and got another offer whch helped me progress quicker )and sometimes your luck is down (my curret job where I am stuck doing the same things over and over with no visible path out, but still enojable enough work). I think overall it balances out, at times you progress quicker and at times it slows. On another note I do believe that you create your own luck to a degree too. You need ironically "social engineering skills" beause you never know what the next informal catchup with somoene may bring.

If you call working 8 to 12 hours a day "overworking" then no wonder why we have such a difference stance on this. In general, people are having kids too young when they should be focusing on careers or schooling. The idea behind working in a dead end job or part time job (if you have to) that you're supposed to just pay the bills while going to school or do online classes or learn about how to run a small business to eventually start your own. If someone is just working a shit job and not doing anything to better their position in life then they are to blame for remaining where they are. You're not supposed to keep working at mcdonalds for the rest of your life. 

In truth, I don't have any sympathy for grown adults that are poor but haven't done much to get out of it. If they are government aid, they should be forced to take long term birth control regardless of what gender they are. Government aid in general sounds great on paper but in reality if it's too good as in it's better to be on it then working and paying your own bills, it gives no incentive for someone to better themselves. It actually keeps people poor versus actually helping them get out of poverity. There should be a ultimate time limit for it. I rather give 'em free college than free food or place to stay.

I do have sympathy for the kids which is why I think at least in the states that any teenagers from poor families wanting to go to college should be able to easily get a low interest student loan thats pays completely for whatever type of college degree they want regardless of their credit rating and provide a place to stay and have food to eat.

I'm all for helping someone that wants to better themselves but not anyone else. The rest can go fuck themselves if all they want is to milk the government tit til it's barren and they have nothing to show for it.