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bunchanumbers on 16 January 2016

NX will happen in 2016. Especially if Nintendo has the x86 hardware like PS4 and X1. Sony and MS live off of 3rd party ports, so I don't see why Nintendo doesn't get to do that too. Its like another Nintendo double standard.



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Magnus on 16 January 2016

On one hand there are few games for the Wii U on 2016 and none on 2017. On the other hand, they can remain relevant as long as they sell handhelds, so they can just axe the Wii U and then wait until late 2017 or even 2018 to release a competitive console. Who knows...



Illusion on 16 January 2016

Nintendo has said that they don't want to leave a long window between the NX reveal and it's launch for fear that the competition will steal the "new concept" it will have. I think that this is definitely evidence that the NX will NOT be following the same launch pattern as past Nintendo consoles.

Nintendo has to launch something in 2016... the 3DS did well but it can't hold up Nintendo for much longer and the Wii U has never been capable of sustaining Nintendo. The even bigger issue then profitability is the loss of brand recognition that Nintendo is enduring right now. The sooner Nintendo can do something about the fact that kids aren't growing up with Mario and Link anymore, the better off they will be.

If Nintendo does go with a unified handheld and console platform for the NX it just makes sense to release both the handheld and console versions at the same time since developers are likely going to have to make their games compatible with both platforms.



Thunderbird77 on 16 January 2016
Soundwave said:
Thunderbird77 said:

If a "handheld part" works on it's own, it's not a part of anything.

 

I'd make the handheld the central component. People need to stop thinking of the handheld as some kind of "little brother, diet Nintendo" machine. 

I'd throw the entire console/handheld dynamic in the garbage. It doesn't work today, no one but a very, very small group of Nintendo fans wants to buy two different machines just to play all the different Nintendo games. 

There isn't anything on the market that's like a mobile console. It would differniate NX immeidately from the PS4/XB1 and also from low-cost tablets on the other end of the spectrum right away. I can see Nintendo doing it. 

Central component of what? There's nothing wrong with a handheld and a portable, only you see a problem with it.





Thunderbird77 on 16 January 2016
Soundwave said:
bigtakilla said:

Fair enough, but more people bought Wii than PS4 and Xbone (in the same timespan). So motion controls killed off far too soon?

 

No because we saw Kinect and Wii sales drop off a cliff. And it's not like the Wii U doesn't have motion controls, the lead pack-in game for the system (Nintendo Land) basically required motion controls. 

Even the new Apple TV which has a motion controller isn't seeing monster sales per se. 

It's more likely motion controls, like guitar controllers, had their time and got boring to a fickle fanbase after a couple of years. 

The number of "motion games" you can make which don't exhaust or frustrate the player are largely limited to mini-game-a-thons and that gets boring after a while. 

Wii didn't drop off a cliff. sales declined after games stopped coming for it and market saturation. kinect was always a peripheral and was cut off early on x1, you can't expect lasting sales from that. No gamer wants wii like motion controls to go, they're even perfect for the popular shooter genre. it was a mistake for wii u to take away from the wii experience. The sides of the gamepad should be detachable.





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Thunderbird77 on 16 January 2016
Miyamotoo said:
Thunderbird77 said:

You think it's certain because it happened one time before in a different scenario? Nintendo would gain nothing by porting a game already available through BC with no need for an extra controller.

Who said NX will be BC!?

Wii was BC but again Nintendo release Wii version of Zelda TP even people could play it through BC without problems.

Zelda U is very huge and expensive game, Nintendo will want to use most of it, it would be perfect launch title for new platform, same like was TP great launch title for Wii.

Don't people read? wiimotes couldn't be used to play gamecube games, so nintendo could either include a gc controller with every wii or port TP. being the same hardware also allowed the port to be made fast and cheap. Probably, none of those factors apply here. Wii U successor also having BC, but with the new controller having no problem running wii u games (or at least non gamepad focused games) + different architeture = huge game = waste of resources to port.





Thunderbird77 on 17 January 2016
Soundwave said:
bigtakilla said:
Soundwave said:

PSOne, PS2, and PS4 will be the best selling hardware of their respective generations, even including Nintendo portable sales.

Nintendo fans are excited about the NX? Really? Never seen such so many people terrified of a new piece of hardware. 

We don't know dick all about what goes on inside Nintendo's R&D to be able to say something is 'rushed' or not. 

The last time Nintendo released a rushed piece of hardware it became their best selling system ever. 

Wii U isn't Nintendo, in the end it'll just be remember as one of their worst selling systems and a footnote in their history (if Nintendo is lucky). The importance that's placed on it here is really laughable. 

This has been a miserable generation for Nintendo that probably can't end soon enough for them. 

No, the gameboy color sold 118 million, the PS1 shipped 102 million (may not have entirely sold through though). And though PS4 will eventually overtake 3DS, it still sits at more units sold as of now. It seems at best they rotate each gen at which one sits at the top.

 

For the period the PSOne was actually available it outsold the Game Boy, fairly easily. Gotta give Sony credit, their console formula is simply very mainstream. 

monopolizing games isn't exactly a formula.





Soundwave on 17 January 2016
Thunderbird77 said:
Soundwave said:

 

I'd make the handheld the central component. People need to stop thinking of the handheld as some kind of "little brother, diet Nintendo" machine. 

I'd throw the entire console/handheld dynamic in the garbage. It doesn't work today, no one but a very, very small group of Nintendo fans wants to buy two different machines just to play all the different Nintendo games. 

There isn't anything on the market that's like a mobile console. It would differniate NX immeidately from the PS4/XB1 and also from low-cost tablets on the other end of the spectrum right away. I can see Nintendo doing it. 

Central component of what? There's nothing wrong with a handheld and a portable, only you see a problem with it.

 

The central component of their hardware line (NX). The portable would be the main hardware config, the other models are secondary for more specialized audiences. 



Thunderbird77 on 17 January 2016
Soundwave said:
Thunderbird77 said:

Central component of what? There's nothing wrong with a handheld and a portable, only you see a problem with it.

 

The central component of their hardware line (NX). The portable would be the main hardware config, the other models are secondary for more specialized audiences. 

yeah, not gonna happen.





Soundwave on 17 January 2016
Thunderbird77 said:
Soundwave said:
bigtakilla said:
Soundwave said:

PSOne, PS2, and PS4 will be the best selling hardware of their respective generations, even including Nintendo portable sales.

Nintendo fans are excited about the NX? Really? Never seen such so many people terrified of a new piece of hardware. 

We don't know dick all about what goes on inside Nintendo's R&D to be able to say something is 'rushed' or not. 

The last time Nintendo released a rushed piece of hardware it became their best selling system ever. 

Wii U isn't Nintendo, in the end it'll just be remember as one of their worst selling systems and a footnote in their history (if Nintendo is lucky). The importance that's placed on it here is really laughable. 

This has been a miserable generation for Nintendo that probably can't end soon enough for them. 

No, the gameboy color sold 118 million, the PS1 shipped 102 million (may not have entirely sold through though). And though PS4 will eventually overtake 3DS, it still sits at more units sold as of now. It seems at best they rotate each gen at which one sits at the top.

 

For the period the PSOne was actually available it outsold the Game Boy, fairly easily. Gotta give Sony credit, their console formula is simply very mainstream. 

monopolizing games isn't exactly a formula.

Last I checked, the NES was the only console with a lock out chip that basically forced developers to make games for it. 

Sony doesn't force developers to make games for them, they're simply (far) better at selling consoles than Nintendo or Microsoft are. Probably because they have a better understanding of what the console market is (like them or not).