They were questions that everyone taking part in this conversation should answer to themselves. It's only determining the values you have. If you think it's better to punish the evildoer after the harm is done, instead of trying to stay out of trouble, then so be it. You just need to find the moral justification for your stand.

When you're young without any responsibilities, it's easy to argue on a hypothetical level. Once you're a parent and responsible for other people, you need to make your choices considering the questions.

It had the same logical leaps as the post it replied to.

They share similarities, I am aware, but feminism have taken a leap from the communistic ideal of equality, that is really even its purpose anymore, if ever has been.

In real world do women dies more than men? Have the statistics?

I would say they need to be more aware of their surroundings. If you want to be attractive or are attractive, great. But it will unfortunately make you a target, whether you like it or not. 

"Why purposefully misrepresent what I'm saying?"

what misrepresentation? you said there are no psychological differences and i gave one example of why that is wrong

"You honestly believe I don't know about the effects of testosterone and aggression? "

lol well if you do then why are we having this conversation?

"women have testosterone as well!"

yes in comparatively small quantities which is why it is well known in society that men are comparatively more aggressive and ascertive on average

"Men are emotional just like women!"

irrelevant but yes men can also be emotional so what?

"I have never said I would call my female friends over to help me move."

its what we call a hypothetical situation... i used it as an example to demonstrate that there are situations where we automatically assume men are more capable than women and that is for a very very obvious reason

" If you think men are above women because men are better at basketball "

its hilarious that you can talk of misrepresentation ( which i have not done ) when you post this nonsense... who said any gender was above the other? go back and find me any example of me saying that shit i beg you

"You see, because I have morals, I am willing to accept women, blacks, hispanics, etc. as socially capable people."

that truly warms my heart it really does but its irrelevant and i hope you aren't saying here that i don't accept women because i acknowledge that they are different to men? because if that is your implication here then again you are wrong

you haven't at any point here disproven my claim all you've really done as most people like you do is try to assume the so called moral high ground and it simply amazes me how people don't see the strings that are causing them to dance

 Fighting ISIS or the Nazis comes/came at the risk of your life. So the circumstances are not the same. Some moderate feminist speaking out against the crazyness in a public forum. Or openly critisizing stupid things in their own movement would be nice.

Some prominent feminist leader or feminist association speaking out against this kind of nonsense would be enough but that does not seem to happen.  

Ladies, if you want to be treated like a lady, than act like one.

I'd like to think that the vast majority of those who immediately turn to 'Well, the girl shouldn't look so attractive' do so more out of a desire to feel like there is some level of control over the situation, or more accurately over their own safety. Society likes to have things quantified, explained, given closure on the what, when, where, and especially the 'Why.' The thing is, it's all but impossible to predict the variables of an inherently unknown number of people you haven't met before who may or may not harbor ill will towards you; the next person you have a one night stand with, regardless of gender, might leave you waking up naked with all your shit stolen. Hell, the next person you let into your HOUSE might slide a knife between your ribs because of some undefined murderous intent or mental illness. The next guy you sit beside on the public bus might slit your throat. Statistically highly unlikely, of course, but still POSSIBLE, and in many cases this violence can come from someone you don't know, who doesn't know you, and is only doing this to you because you're a target of convenience. This makes it inherently difficult to predict or 'prevent' a perpetrator from... well, perpetrating, because you probably won't know his intent or motives until the deed is already done. =P

So attention is focused on the only relatively 'known' variable, the woman who has been, or might be, the victim of such an assault, whether it was her outfit, where she was at the time, or the state she was in. The reason for all this is because it brings an odd sense of comfort to just think 'Oh, well, she had too much alcohol, of COURSE she got sexually assaulted,' or 'Oh, she was dressed provocatively, of course men want to have sex with her,' etc, etc. Because by saying this, there's the flip side, the 'If I (or those I care about) DON'T do these things, then obviously they'll be totally safe, because they weren't putting themselves in such a situation.' By that same token, when you read about people who tried to sell something on Craigslist or the like, agreed to meet someone in a vacant lot to make the exchange, and ended up getting shot and/or killed with the object itself stolen, there's always the 'Well, yeah, they went to meet a complete stranger in the middle of the night in a deserted place, of COURSE that happened!' Because the mirror to that is 'I'd never meet a complete stranger in the middle of the night in a deserted place, I'm perfectly safe.'

And to be fair, there are always things you can do to reduce the chance of something bad happening to you. Install bars and a security door in your home so people can't break in, avoid any shadowy places or alleyway entrances or really any deserted streets at all, never leave the house after the sun has gone down, don't dress in expensive looking clothes that might peg you as a good mugging target, never drink heavily in public venues regardless of gender or age, don't take the bait if someone tries to pick a fight with you, etc, etc. Doing some or all of these things will lessen the chance that you find yourself in a bad spot.

But bottom line is that the other half of the equation has to be dealt with, and that's that people who assault, steal, rape, and all manner of other things need to be reformed, detained, or otherwise handled. No matter how mild mannered someone is, no matter how 'properly' someone behaves, they will never be totally safe in society. Those who sexually assault a woman, no matter how drunk, stoned or otherwise out of her head she is, need to answer for it as the criminal they are, and the victim needs to be given full support and care, not a string of 'Well, You Should(n't) Haves'.

The question of educating potential victims on how they can best guard themselves is something I believe to be important, but note I say POTENTIAL victims. I.e. men and women who are settling into society and still finding their way. In a situation where we are dealing with a crime already committed then full attention, fury and condemnation should be dealt to the one who carried out the deed, not upon the one on whom the deed was carried out.



tl;dr: People crave feeling like they're in control of any situation, which is where I feel a lot of victim-blaming comes from, the idea of 'Well, if she didn't do x thing, she'd be safe.' (Replace 'she' with 'Me or my loved ones' in all these cases for the subtext.) But the truth is, society is inherently unsafe, and unpredictable, so while to a certain extent education is vital ('Don't Trust Strangers' or 'Put On A Seatbelt When Driving,') just as important if not more so is swift and decisive handling of the perpetrators of such crimes, be they rapists or dangerous/drunk drivers.

In the context of this video, all men are made out to be assholes or rapists. Not a single positive example of a man is listed, and instead only examples of shitty people are listed. 

By my definition, yes, all feminists think men are rapists. However, there are women's rights activists who for some reason identify as feminist despite the stigma it carries. I refer to them as activists, since there are many people nowadays who just don't take feminists seriously. It makes them seem less like a whiny, incorrect first world brat and more like someone who is worried about their standing in their world. 

I don't believe anyone in this thread expressed that sentiment. I believe the thought was "Maybe she should be wasted out of her mind at a party with his who are ways out of their minds in the first place". As a parent, I wouldn't allow that kind of behavior. As a realist, I know it will be hard to stop. 

But as a realist, I also know I have a better chance of stopping her from going to that party than I do stopping a bunch of drunk high school boys from trying to rape her once she's there and wasted.

Man with all the replies here I felt I had to watch the video to find out if it was as bad as I would have imagined.... deary me, not disappointed.
The leaps and bounds made during it lead me to believe that the person who created it is maybe in 2nd year of gender studies with a minor.... a very minor possibly failed at first year in some form of film direction. It takes the same kind of leaps that if you were to hold them up as being true would mean you could blame every house fire in the world on the presence of a toilet in the home, Since there is always a toilet there that must mean every toilet is an arsonist.
This sort of media created in my opinion does one thing for current age feminism, it creates viewers who watch it and facepalm, viewers who the creator can then point to and say they are facepalming it because they hate women or they are victim blaming or so, the reality of it is I facepalmed that video because that video was a pile of shit, regardless of the subject matter.

Still tho! It got a view from me, Kudos Video!