gooch_destroyer said:
I don't think that'll stop. |
Most of the wars have religious backgrounds
So we have to cut them from theyre root
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Is Faith Reasonable? | |||
| Yes | 72 | 32.88% | |
| No | 116 | 52.97% | |
| I don't know | 10 | 4.57% | |
| Darn skeptics | 4 | 1.83% | |
| Results | 17 | 7.76% | |
| Total: | 219 | ||
gooch_destroyer said:
I don't think that'll stop. |
Most of the wars have religious backgrounds
So we have to cut them from theyre root
REQUIESCAT IN PACE
I Hate REMASTERS
I Hate PLAYSTATION PLUS
asqarkabab said:
Most of the wars have religious backgrounds So we have to cut them from theyre root |
And then money.
| Frank_kc said: I am really shocked that no faith has the highest percentage. To answer the question about faith, we need to ask our-self one question: What is the purpose of life? are we created only to eat, sleep, work and then die? Is this really what life is about? With no offence to the majority of who voted NO, knowing that most of them are Atheist and the Agnostic, if you found a watch in the middle of a desert. What would you conclude? Would you think that someone dropped this watch? Or would you suppose that the watch came by itself? Of course no sane person would say that the watch just happened to emerge from the sand. All the intricate working parts could not simply develop from the metals that lay buried in the earth. The watch must have a manufacturer. If a watch tells accurate time we expect the manufacturer must be intelligent. Blind chance cannot produce a working watch. |
Why does life even need a higher purpose? It doesn't have a purpose in itself. You are the one who gives the purpose to your life.
That said, God as a reason just leads to more questions until infinity. If everything was made by god, who made god? Why was he there? For what purpose? Sure, you can just say "God has always been there and will always be there" - but you can say the same about the universe. Can't prove it, can't counter-prove it.
Everything we know points to Superman not existing. With that knowledge, it's not that smart to believe that Superman actually exists, is it? Guess what, everything we know also points to that no god whatsoever exists. So I don't know why the hell I should believe in something like that. Just because of an old book? I've read better books and still didn't believe the shit in there was real.
The more you know about physiscs, the less you'll want to believe in some kind of god. If you just get a glimpse of just how friggin' big the universe is, it blows my mind how anyone can think that we are even to slightest degree in any way important to it. More than 100 billion stars with likely the same amount of planets just in our galaxy. More than 100 billion galaxies just in the observable universe. Even if just 0.00000000000000001 % of planets are habitable, you're looking at millions of civilizations. We just happen to be here right now. But it doesn't mean too much. It will mean something, if we decide to take down the final frontier and start exploring and settling the universe. That way our species can spread and sometime truly understand what the universe is all about. But guess what, at the moment we're busy killing ourselves and one very important reason for that bullshit is religion. That dude believes something different than me, let's kill him! I'm so sick of it. We have the chance to achieve something big, but we just don't care enough.
Imagine an asteroid hitting the earth in 100 years or so. It could very well end all life as we know it on the planet. If we invest NOW in measures to protect ourselves from such threats, we wouldn't have to fear such scenarios. But nobody cares, let's make war. Maybe it's for the best that humanity will go extinct. There are bound to be better species for the job of conquering the endless universe.
Yeah, sorry, I'm somewhat pissed. =P
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gooch_destroyer said:
And then money. |
Cut them the money
No money support no war
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| JWeinCom said: |
Thanks for the recommendations I will see if I can find copies.
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snyps said:
Thanks for the recommendations I will see if I can find copies. |
No problem. Hawking's books are at least easy to find. You may want to start with A Brief History of Time. It's not about quantum physics though, just plain old physics.
It's a real shame the development of technology has not gone hand in hand with people becoming realistic about their origins. We now face a future where people who have been indoctrinated into believing the most banal and ridiculous stories as truth make decisions about the life's of those who think rationally. Often those decisions are to destroy those who don't or won't believe such stories. You can see countries where those who don't believe have to hide their lack of faith to prevent their own destruction and others understand how to exploit such communities to rape and kill and then play the religion card to protect themselves from punishment. It seems corruption and religion go hand and hand.
Religion is a disease of the mind.
Sorry I have a hugely negative view of religion. I've been on this planet almost 50 years and have rejected religion for about 37 years now. I just feel our problems won't get sorted if people are corrupted by religion and people can justify any action or inaction if their so called god commands it.

| JRPGfan said: I believe in a god that created the universe. I dont do so because I think any of us where created with a purpose at mind. |
Well I didn't think I needed to say that this is most religious people, not everyone. But in that case, why do you believe he created the universe, based on what? How many living beings were inhabiting earth way before the humans? doesn't make sense that it took that long before "god" created man to his image and like seriously, the earth has millions of years, yet he sended his son just 2000 years ago...
Also, the fact that god is supposedly male is even more fishy, which is why I don't trust that at all.
| MTZehvor said: I'd say the problems lie in your definitions, as...well, really, I can't find anything that supports a definition of faith as "Belief in something one cannot observe or reasonably conclude." EDIT: As a side note, if you leave the definition faith as is, then there's hardly a debate to be had, as you've simply created a tautology. Reasonability requires...well, reason, and if faith is, by definition, absent of reason, then obviously it must be unreasonable. |
I did explicitly state that I would be using the Biblical definition, since that is the type of faith that is use as an epistemology.
"Now faith is confidence in what we hope for and assurance about what we do not see." (Hebrews 11:1)
However, the definition you offered is actually identical. Here's why...
Faith - firm belief in something for which there is no proof.
Proof - evidence or argument establishing or helping to establish a fact or the truth of a statement.
Substitution:
Faith - firm belief in something for which there is no evidence or argument establishing or helping to establish a fact of truth of a statement
(OP definition) Faith - Belief in something one cannot observe or reasonably conclude.
Therefore, when you say:
"I have plenty of reasons as to why I think this, such as Houston generally sucking and KC's defense being set up almost specifically to foil Houston's offense. I am quite confident in KC winning, and I would argue it's a very reasonable belief, but in the end, it is still something I cannot prove, therefore it is faith."
You are completely mistaken as to what faith is.
It is not defined as a tautology, it is demonstrated to be a tautology by modus tollens. All of logic/maths is based upon tautology, that's how they function.
leyendax69 said:
Well I didn't think I needed to say that this is most religious people, not everyone. But in that case, why do you believe he created the universe, based on what? How many living beings were inhabiting earth way before the humans? doesn't make sense that it took that long before "god" created man to his image and like seriously, the earth has millions of years, yet he sended his son just 2000 years ago... Also, the fact that god is supposedly male is even more fishy, which is why I don't trust that at all. |
Its open to interpretation. In his image could many any number of things, non of which have to do with physical appearance.
You have alot of mis conceptions.