zorg1000 said: Mummelmann said: Couldn't have said it better myself. The writing is on the wall and both the wall and the font has grown quite large by now.   Unless Nintendo is content with Wii U selling 2 million & 3DS 5 million in 2017 than NX is releasing this year, I don't get how so many people are opposed to this.

Sorry  but 2m  wii u and 5m 3ds in 2017, five years and 6 years after their release respectively, it would be  something more than decent, with NX  been revealed at 2016...For the wii u, I could say miraculous!

Your comment should have profits in the place that have wii u and 3ds and their sales, as profits define what you imply not the size of  sales... And  in the end they matter more (at least for companies that have one section, to which the rely on), if profits are sufficient in 2016, Nintendo would be satisfied, I guess! Isn't 2016, the start year of the mobile games and themed parks venture?

By the way, forgive me if I misunderstand your comment, you will explain it later if I do! What do you mean by : I don't get how so many people are opposed to this? It's like saying, I  don't get that people have their own concerns, thinking, logic, and arguments which lead them to have different  opinion than mine? It doesn't seem like you imply that but I would like you to clarirfy more what to do you mean! You say that if Nintendo was unsatisfied, why then there should people who dispute  nx->wii u 2016? Still, why not? They can have their own opinion, backed up with concrete arguments and expressed with as much as objectivity is possible of course, otherwise there is bias either negative or positive....

And you can contradict them, that's how it works!

Also, are we  insiders to know the feeling in Nintendo's headquarters? No, we speculate and we come into different conclusions!

 

 In addition, we have in a equal extend people who are opposed to  a 2017 release (don't you see it in this thread?) ,maybe somewhat less than towards 2016 release...

Lastly, personally, I don't believe in NX->wii u 2016, and I have rationalized it by writing wall of texts, but I don't rule out the 2016 thing? Are you ruling out the 2017 thing?

 

The_BlackHeart__ said: @Nintendo: Do you want to get Dreamcasted? Because that's how Sega got Dreamcasted.

I never like it when people associate an early NX release wih the Dreamcast because it omits a lot of mistakes Sega made prior to it (Sega CD, 32x, disastrous Saturn launch) and other problems (the contentious relationship between SOJ and SOA, simplistically easy Dreamcast pirating and the fact that Sega had no other significant means to make money other than the console market).  From what I remember, Sega already had one foot in the grave at the time the Dreamcast launched and it was just a matter of time before they went bankrupt.

hershel_layton said: Well, let's take a look at release dates for the past consoles(for US, cause 'Murica matters most): Wii U: November 18, 2012 Wii: November 19, 2006 gamecube: November 18, 2001 N64: September 29, 1996 SNES: August of 1991 NES: October 18, 1985 The past 3 consoles were released close to each other. Either they're taking their time and hope to release it at Q3 2016, or they are REALLY taking their time and hope to release it at the end of 2017. However, if neither way is done, they may choose to not release their next system in November. Perhaps early 2017 if late 2016 isn't done.

They really take their time with preparing and releasing Wii U and they again done terrible job.

Very wise, take your time Nintendo and get everything right. NX needs to release as close to next gen as possible, no point in rushing out a mid gen console to bomb.

I think you get the point, I didn't mean *literally* no one, but from a market POV, Wii U is likely done once people see the NX. It's already selling poorly and having its successor unveiled is pretty much the nail in the coffin. People still buy the PS3 or heck I'm sure somewhere, someone is still buying a GameCube today. 

Soundwave said:

 

I agree tbh once NX is shown the will be a drop in any Wii U momentum, if the is an NX version of Zelda the won't even be a big boost in sales when that releases.

zippy said: Very wise, take your time Nintendo and get everything right. NX needs to release as close to next gen as possible, no point in rushing out a mid gen console to bomb.

 

 

My biggest fear! I find it too risky releasing in the middle of xboxone and ps4 lifetime, probably when sales for both will peak ( as usually in the third year, especially after price drops), and from gameline aspects it's the best year for both.
People's interest will be strictly attached to 8th gen consoles, what would this mean for the NX... While 2017 release can be near to xbox one and ps4 successors, mainly for xbox one! 2017 release of nx could force sony and especially ms to release their new consoles soon after NX 2018/19 (if nx is something that will create a ''storm'' of course) starting from scratch and giving to Nintendo the competitive edge...

Althougth, xbox one might not be forced by NX to get a successor earlier, but due to ps4 dominance, ms may want to pull the rug from under sony's feet by releasing xboxone successor earlier than expected, which  would probably be more powerful than ps4, as a result stealing its thunder but  hereupon sony could  answer with ps5... xbox/ps2 -> 360/ps3 situation repeatition m, schedule-wise... (As for NX, I don't really doubt that 2016 release could probably succeed, I just express my anxiety.)

However, I think something else worries me more, the majority of wii u owners reaction...

Replacing wii u in its 4th year, can infuriate those Nintendo fans who acquired a wii u! Most of Nintendo fans are emotional people (of course there is a porportion of Nintendo fans that wanted all along a short death for the wii u, by dreaming that NX will fix everything that was wrong with the wii u, or those that love wii u but they await the greatness that nx may introduce, so the don't care for wii u close of day ), who commonly bond with their consoles! A 2016 wii u replacement could be seemed to soon! How else, when you're used to almost six years lifetime for Nintendo consoles, fans could  feel like their favorite company cares fore thei wallet not them, even though, Nintendo is an enterprise not a charity institution someone may say...
    Nintendo has already done bad moves this gen, for which its fans 3ds/wii u owners are fretting about (like not providing them what they exactly desire or causing long game draughts), they can't afford to do more mistakes, risking losing even those who bought wii u and gave them generously their money!

The aim is to bring back those fans (gamecube/n64) (not pulling a wii, which was out of ordinary for Nintendo) that would like to buy wii u but it wasn't an attractive product for them and some settled for just 3DS ( tablet controller-lets not forget that xboxone was selling like wii u before dropping kinect-being overpriced which is a huge problem when this console is for accompanying another console, and not the first choice for the most of the consumers cycle and  not in the slightest third party support)!

They have the leeway to give one more year to wii u, in order, wii u owners to take  more lightly its inglorious funeral! Nintendo's making profit (2016 is also the start year for the mobile games venture and theme parks..) ! They're not urged to replace wii u, at least profits-wise, hardware sales are mediocre (but flat and decent) in general and give bad publicity, as gaming audience focus on sales and ignore profits.

Anyway, this is the point of my aspect: If after all nx thing doesn't work , you risk to lose even this extremely loyal audience that dared and purchased the wii u (as I aforesaid, the aim is to  retrieve those who would jump in wii u but eventually they didn't, and not even losing the ones that stayed faithful), which in the end was profitable?

(All this in case NX is just a replacement for the wii u/or if it's for both handheld and home consoles, if wii u getting replaced in 2016 by the home part)

P.s If nx it's about to replace wii u in 2016, I hope there was enough time for Nintendo to prepare enticing and big software guns for its launch... And I don't mind if nx-> wii u not in 2017 as I consider, but 2016 instead, a simple defeat. Since, my analysis makes me think 2017 release, it's not a  desire/idealistic hope, and being wrong eventually, leading me to feel disenchantment or rage...

I feel like after they had a bit of a blunder with the U, they're doing everything in their power to make sure the NX doesn't suffer the same fate. I'm just hoping they keep supporting the Wii U.

Paatar said: NX will release in 2017. Just watch.

 

Accurate.

RolStoppable said: tak13 said: My biggest fear! I find it too risky releasing in the middle of xboxone and ps4 lifetime, probably when sales for both will peak ( as usually in the third year, especially after price drops), and from gameline aspects it's the best year for both.  People's interest will be strictly attached to 8th gen consoles, what would this mean for the NX... While 2017 release can be near to xbox one and ps4 successors, mainly for xbox one! 2017 release of nx could force sony and especially ms to release their new consoles soon after NX 2018/19 (if nx is something that will create a ''storm'' of course) starting from scratch and giving to Nintendo the competitive edge... Althougth, xbox one might not be forced by NX to get a successor earlier, but due to ps4 dominance, ms may want to pull the rug from under sony's feet by releasing xboxone successor earlier than expected, which  would probably be more powerful than ps4, as a result stealing its thunder but  hereupon sony could  answer with ps5... xbox/ps2 -> 360/ps3 situation repeatition m, schedule-wise... (As for NX, I don't really doubt that 2016 release could probably succeed, I just express my anxiety.) (...) People, you need to get with the times. Most third parties have stopped to consider Nintendo a part of the loop in 2003. The concept of generations where similar systems compete against one another doesn't apply anymore, because in such a scenario Nintendo is doomed to the status of "we want to be like them, but we really aren't", thanks to the majority of third party multiplatform games being missing. The Wii U is the system that proved this to be true. Nintendo already talked about a brandnew concept for NX, so it looks like they finally understood what's up. This is the point where we could talk about blue ocean theory, but most people don't grasp it. In a nutshell, blue ocean theory is about offering different values and creating a space in the marketplace for the product you want to sell. If Nintendo applies this concept properly, then NX will be neither too late or too early to the party in comparison to Sony and Microsoft. They will have a different product altogether, so comparisons won't make much sense. Of course it isn't easy to create a blue ocean product, but it's not like Nintendo has a choice (see: first paragraph). As for the part of your post that I snipped, you said that the goal has to be to bring back the N64 and GC audience. You deserve a good smacking for that. The goal shouldn't and cannot be to aim for an audience that didn't move Nintendo above the bar of disappointment and failure, respectively.

 

Firstly Nintendo have to cater for their hardcore crowd, they are the sure thing and the ones that have carried Wii U through the gen. Nintendo aren't going to get a majority PS4/XB1 owners to jump to NX, because as proven thus far they aren't willing to buy a Nintendo console just for their exclusives as good as they are. If NX is fully supported by third parties,most PS4/XB1 owners would still be reluctant because they already have access to these games. So that just leaves the old Wii crowd to aim for? or those that game on tablets/phones? I'm really not sure what Nintendo have up their sleeve, but its nice to hear they are not going to be too hasty. Who do you think they are aiming NX to Rol.

RolStoppable said: People, you need to get with the times. Most third parties have stopped to consider Nintendo a part of the loop in 2003. The concept of generations where similar systems compete against one another doesn't apply anymore, because in such a scenario Nintendo is doomed to the status of "we want to be like them, but we really aren't", thanks to the majority of third party multiplatform games being missing. The Wii U is the system that proved this to be true. Nintendo already talked about a brandnew concept for NX, so it looks like they finally understood what's up. This is the point where we could talk about blue ocean theory, but most people don't grasp it. In a nutshell, blue ocean theory is about offering different values and creating a space in the marketplace for the product you want to sell. If Nintendo applies this concept properly, then NX will be neither too late or too early to the party in comparison to Sony and Microsoft. They will have a different product altogether, so comparisons won't make much sense. Of course it isn't easy to create a blue ocean product, but it's not like Nintendo has a choice (see: first paragraph). As for the part of your post that I snipped, you said that the goal has to be to bring back the N64 and GC audience. You deserve a good smacking for that. The goal shouldn't and cannot be to aim for an audience that didn't move Nintendo above the bar of disappointment and failure, respectively.

 

People should all take a long hard read of this post as it shows the situation.