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Hiku said:
thismeintiel said:

4.  The Ending.
And why of all the people to go see Luke for the first time in years, they send a complete stranger?

2.  Girl Power.

Rey never comes across a single Jedi Master. No form of lightsaber training.  However, all she has to do is feel the girl power flowing through her and she can not only stop Ren from reading her mind, but also from willing the lightsaber to him and defeat him in a lightsaber battle.
Now, if they had shown her using some Jedi powers when she was alone, discovering them slowly on her own, it could have been somewhat forgiven.  But not when your going 0 to Jedi with no training whatsoever.

First, I'll address the bolded part.
I don't think they should always spell everything out for us in movies. In this case I like how they did it, if it is what the movie may be implying at one point. And if so, perhaps next time people will think twice about jumping to the conclusion that it's a stupid plot hole with absolutely no explanation when there seemingly should be one, and instead try to be more observant and look for answers in the movie.

Now, Rey may not be a stranger to Luke. Based on what the movie may be implying, she could be Luke or Leia's daughter. The former seems more likely though.

The answer to your issue may lie in a vision Rey had in the middle of the film. In it you see a flashback of her as a kid being left on the planet by someone, Luke's hand on R2D2, and then a scene where Rey is on the ground, and someone is standing above her, about to attack her, but Kylo Ren kills him and saves her. What some people speculate is that this scene may be from the time where Kylo killed off Luke's academy students, but spared Rey. This would mean that both of them may have been part of Luke's academy. If so, Rey's memory has probably somehow been wiped.
When Kylo was informed about "a girl" being involved in the early incident in the film, he reacts rather fiercly to it and asks "what girl?"
Later on, during their lightsaber duel, Luke's theme plays when she grabs Luke's lightsaber. And Kylo tells her that she needs training, and "I can teach you", she closes her eyes, and perhaps that triggered her to remember her training, and that's when she beats him.

All of this are stuff that the moviegoer is exposed to, not Leia. Why would she not be interested in going to see if her brother is there for herself? Or send someone from the rebellion, just like she sent Poe to get that map (btw, who created that map?).





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Lawlight said:
Hiku said:

First, I'll address the bolded part.
I don't think they should always spell everything out for us in movies. In this case I like how they did it, if it is what the movie may be implying at one point. And if so, perhaps next time people will think twice about jumping to the conclusion that it's a stupid plot hole with absolutely no explanation when there seemingly should be one, and instead try to be more observant and look for answers in the movie.

Now, Rey may not be a stranger to Luke. Based on what the movie may be implying, she could be Luke or Leia's daughter. The former seems more likely though.

The answer to your issue may lie in a vision Rey had in the middle of the film. In it you see a flashback of her as a kid being left on the planet by someone, Luke's hand on R2D2, and then a scene where Rey is on the ground, and someone is standing above her, about to attack her, but Kylo Ren kills him and saves her. What some people speculate is that this scene may be from the time where Kylo killed off Luke's academy students, but spared Rey. This would mean that both of them may have been part of Luke's academy. If so, Rey's memory has probably somehow been wiped.
When Kylo was informed about "a girl" being involved in the early incident in the film, he reacts rather fiercly to it and asks "what girl?"
Later on, during their lightsaber duel, Luke's theme plays when she grabs Luke's lightsaber. And Kylo tells her that she needs training, and "I can teach you", she closes her eyes, and perhaps that triggered her to remember her training, and that's when she beats him.

All of this are stuff that the moviegoer is exposed to, not Leia. Why would she not be interested in going to see if her brother is there for herself? Or send someone from the rebellion, just like she sent Poe to get that map (btw, who created that map?).

Do we really need a scene where Rey explains everything that happened in the movie to Leia? It's pretty obvious she's basically a member of the rebellion and would have explained what happened with the lightsaber by the end of the film. With that in mind, Rey is the obvious choice to go and find Luke.





Scoobes said:
Lawlight said:

All of this are stuff that the moviegoer is exposed to, not Leia. Why would she not be interested in going to see if her brother is there for herself? Or send someone from the rebellion, just like she sent Poe to get that map (btw, who created that map?).

Do we really need a scene where Rey explains everything that happened in the movie to Leia? It's pretty obvious she's basically a member of the rebellion and would have explained what happened with the lightsaber by the end of the film. With that in mind, Rey is the obvious choice to go and find Luke.



No matter what Rey says to Leia, Leia should be the one going to meet with Luke.





Lawlight said:
Hiku said:
thismeintiel said:

4.  The Ending.
And why of all the people to go see Luke for the first time in years, they send a complete stranger?

2.  Girl Power.

Rey never comes across a single Jedi Master. No form of lightsaber training.  However, all she has to do is feel the girl power flowing through her and she can not only stop Ren from reading her mind, but also from willing the lightsaber to him and defeat him in a lightsaber battle.
Now, if they had shown her using some Jedi powers when she was alone, discovering them slowly on her own, it could have been somewhat forgiven.  But not when your going 0 to Jedi with no training whatsoever.

First, I'll address the bolded part.
I don't think they should always spell everything out for us in movies. In this case I like how they did it, if it is what the movie may be implying at one point. And if so, perhaps next time people will think twice about jumping to the conclusion that it's a stupid plot hole with absolutely no explanation when there seemingly should be one, and instead try to be more observant and look for answers in the movie.

Now, Rey may not be a stranger to Luke. Based on what the movie may be implying, she could be Luke or Leia's daughter. The former seems more likely though.

The answer to your issue may lie in a vision Rey had in the middle of the film. In it you see a flashback of her as a kid being left on the planet by someone, Luke's hand on R2D2, and then a scene where Rey is on the ground, and someone is standing above her, about to attack her, but Kylo Ren kills him and saves her. What some people speculate is that this scene may be from the time where Kylo killed off Luke's academy students, but spared Rey. This would mean that both of them may have been part of Luke's academy. If so, Rey's memory has probably somehow been wiped.
When Kylo was informed about "a girl" being involved in the early incident in the film, he reacts rather fiercly to it and asks "what girl?"
Later on, during their lightsaber duel, Luke's theme plays when she grabs Luke's lightsaber. And Kylo tells her that she needs training, and "I can teach you", she closes her eyes, and perhaps that triggered her to remember her training, and that's when she beats him.

All of this are stuff that the moviegoer is exposed to, not Leia. Why would she not be interested in going to see if her brother is there for herself? Or send someone from the rebellion, just like she sent Poe to get that map (btw, who created that map?).



 

Obviously, Leia was too old to handle the hardships and peril involved with the treacherous journey to find Luke. Rey was the right choice.

 

Oh. The journey wasn't perilous at all? Just a five minute flight and some stairs? Never mind.



thismeintiel said:

  It's the same exact problem I had with Legend of Korra, and why I never watched after the first episode.  In the Last Airbender, he only knew one elemental power, air.  The rest of the show was him growing as a person, trying to master the other elements.  In LOK?  Oh, she just has most of them mastered as a small child.  Why?  Girl power, I guess.

Slight change of topic, but this part at least is wrong. Korra mastered everything but airbending by the time her show starts because she's much older than Aang was, and had been specifically trained to be the Avatar for longer than Aang was alive in the original series. She's eighteen when her series starts, and just passing the firebender test. She's about where every non-Aang Avatar had been at that point in their lives. In spite of that, she starts the series being absolutely worthless as an airbender. Basically, she had her "grow as a person, trying to master the other elements" part done off screen for three of the four, and the first season is her attempt at the fourth one.

It's also worth noting that she never really comes across as better than Aang at any point in the first three seasons, and I would argue is actually a pretty bad Avatar overall.

d21lewis said:

Obviously, Leia was too old to handle the hardships and peril involved with the treacherous journey to find Luke. Rey was the right choice.

Oh. The journey wasn't perilous at all? Just a five minute flight and some stairs? Never mind.

Old folks have bladder problems that make long flights difficult, and what if she fell down those same stairs, huh?