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binary solo on 19 January 2016
jason1637 said:
binary solo said:
Like I said, exclusive bundles tend to work better for the lead platform. When a platform is trailing and doesn't have the mojo for the generation then exclusive stuff for multiplat games just aren't going to have the same effect.

If the Division is all Xb one has to give it a push in march then it won't be enough to give it the NPD win. Xb one one April 2015 partly because it was $50 cheaper and partly because of Batman AA special edition PS4 pre-orders. And it still only managed to sneak in a $10K win. Xb one won October because of Halo 5. Xb one hasn't won a single month because of the power of a 3rd party exclusivity deal. Though with Nov 2015 we'll never know what might have been because PS4 had by far the better 3rd party exclusivity deals. I think MS would need to perhaps make a move on hardware as well, drop the 1TB sku into the $349 price bracket and disestablish the 500GB sku, and sell it at a discount through March. If they did that along with the Division they would win March unless Sony had something similar planned.

 

The Xbox One hasn't really ha any big third party deal outside Advanced Warfare which came out in Nov 2014. Except from FIFA games which arent big in the US and Madden which hasnt had a record of being a system seller. 

And the Division is also not big in the grand scheme of things and has very limited system selling potential, just like all 3rd party multiplats have very limited system selling potential, especially differential system selling. The Tom Clancy franchise doesn't justify a limited edition console, and it's really only the limited editions that push the hardware in favour of one console for the multiplats. PS4 certainly only got the substantially bigger boost for BO3 because of the LE console. It it had been a plain bundle with a BO themed box the boost would have been much much smaller.





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jason1637 on 19 January 2016
binary solo said:
jason1637 said:

 

The Xbox One hasn't really ha any big third party deal outside Advanced Warfare which came out in Nov 2014. Except from FIFA games which arent big in the US and Madden which hasnt had a record of being a system seller. 

And the Division is also not big in the grand scheme of things and has very limited system selling potential, just like all 3rd party multiplats have very limited system selling potential, especially differential system selling. The Tom Clancy franchise doesn't justify a limited edition console, and it's really only the limited editions that push the hardware in favour of one console for the multiplats. PS4 certainly only got the substantially bigger boost for BO3 because of the LE console. It it had been a plain bundle with a BO themed box the boost would have been much much smaller.

 


I do agree that the sales would have been less but not massively less because in the holiday parents were buying consoles for their kids and COD is a huge gaming brand so even without the LE it would have still sold very well. 



Jaxyfoo on 19 January 2016
binary solo said:
Like I said, exclusive bundles tend to work better for the lead platform. When a platform is trailing and doesn't have the mojo for the generation then exclusive stuff for multiplat games just aren't going to have the same effect.

If the Division is all Xb one has to give it a push in march then it won't be enough to give it the NPD win. Xb one one April 2015 partly because it was $50 cheaper and partly because of Batman AA special edition PS4 pre-orders. And it still only managed to sneak in a $10K win. Xb one won October because of Halo 5. Xb one hasn't won a single month because of the power of a 3rd party exclusivity deal. Though with Nov 2015 we'll never know what might have been because PS4 had by far the better 3rd party exclusivity deals. I think MS would need to perhaps make a move on hardware as well, drop the 1TB sku into the $349 price bracket and disestablish the 500GB sku, and sell it at a discount through March. If they did that along with the Division they would win March unless Sony had something similar planned.

 

Exclusive bundles always seem a good time to buy the opposite console, that is usually why things are close.  Everytime PS4 has a bundle launch, MS add a free game or the exact same bundled game for free.  Sony have been doing this too with a few bundles of late.  So I wouldn't be surprised to see the XB1 1tb Division bundle at $399 against the PS4 Cod bundle plus the Division for $349.  Which one honestly wins that way despite all the adverts? 



SWORDF1SH on 19 January 2016
jason1637 said:
binary solo said:
Like I said, exclusive bundles tend to work better for the lead platform. When a platform is trailing and doesn't have the mojo for the generation then exclusive stuff for multiplat games just aren't going to have the same effect.

If the Division is all Xb one has to give it a push in march then it won't be enough to give it the NPD win. Xb one one April 2015 partly because it was $50 cheaper and partly because of Batman AA special edition PS4 pre-orders. And it still only managed to sneak in a $10K win. Xb one won October because of Halo 5. Xb one hasn't won a single month because of the power of a 3rd party exclusivity deal. Though with Nov 2015 we'll never know what might have been because PS4 had by far the better 3rd party exclusivity deals. I think MS would need to perhaps make a move on hardware as well, drop the 1TB sku into the $349 price bracket and disestablish the 500GB sku, and sell it at a discount through March. If they did that along with the Division they would win March unless Sony had something similar planned.

 

The Xbox One hasn't really ha any big third party deal outside Advanced Warfare which came out in Nov 2014. Except from FIFA games which arent big in the US and Madden which hasnt had a record of being a system seller. 

Dead Rising, Tomb Raider, Titanfall, Fallout and yes FIFA and Madden are big third party deals. Along with AW that 7 off the top of my head. Did they have Ghosts aswell?





GribbleGrunger on 20 January 2016

9 hours since last update:

#10 PS4 Black Ops 3 Bundle (up 2)
#32 XB1 Gears Bundle (up 2)
#90 N3DS Black (up 4)

Sony are clearly going to win January and although the numbers overall are likely to decrease, the gap is going to be substantial in my opinion.



 

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jason1637 on 20 January 2016
SWORDF1SH said:
jason1637 said:

 

The Xbox One hasn't really ha any big third party deal outside Advanced Warfare which came out in Nov 2014. Except from FIFA games which arent big in the US and Madden which hasnt had a record of being a system seller. 

Dead Rising, Tomb Raider, Titanfall, Fallout and yes FIFA and Madden are big third party deals. Along with AW that 7 off the top of my head. Did they have Ghosts aswell?

In terms of bundles dead rising didnt have on while tomb raider was only at 2 retailers. Ghost. Had a bunde for 360.

 





bananaking21 on 20 January 2016

i think MS can win march due to The Division bundle, i think that game will be big. and a bundle will certainly push sales. however the chances for it to push sales are a lot less considering its 399$. and depending on how the PS4 CoD bundle keeps performing, and if sony actually keep it till march, it might not be enough.

its interesting to see PS4 being 350$ with a game a current gen AAA game, and XB1 being 400$. it seems MS are focusing more on profits now than on catching up with the PS4. and it seems like MS are reaching a point where they just cant compete with PS4 on price.

the PS4 sells A LOT more in other countries outside the USA, even they are having lower profit margins on PS4, its made up by the considerably more sales worldwide. the XB1 doesnt have that luxury. and so their profit margins need to be higher, hence the 400$ price tag for all the new bundles.

another thing is that the PS4 might have similar profit margins at 350$ with the XB1 at 400$. manufacturing the PS4 should be considerably cheaper now, due to Sony producing much more PS4's. Sony at 350$ with a third party game should be ranking profit close to the XB1 at 400$



SWORDF1SH on 20 January 2016

So 6 big 3rd party bundles then that I just mentioned. Then you also have sunset overdrive and assassins creed bundles. To claim ms have only had a few 3rd party bundles is crazy. 



Madword on 20 January 2016
SWORDF1SH said:
jason1637 said:

 

The Xbox One hasn't really ha any big third party deal outside Advanced Warfare which came out in Nov 2014. Except from FIFA games which arent big in the US and Madden which hasnt had a record of being a system seller. 

Dead Rising, Tomb Raider, Titanfall, Fallout and yes FIFA and Madden are big third party deals. Along with AW that 7 off the top of my head. Did they have Ghosts aswell?

They also had AC Unity... ?





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DonFerrari on 20 January 2016
Insidb said:
spurgeonryan said:
Tagging again.

You only have to do it once; if you do it again, then you're "it."

He must have too many threads and need a refresh

GribbleGrunger said:

9 hours since last update:

#10 PS4 Black Ops 3 Bundle (up 2)
#32 XB1 Gears Bundle (up 2)
#90 N3DS Black (up 4)

Sony are clearly going to win January and although the numbers overall are likely to decrease, the gap is going to be substantial in my opinion.

reduce the gap in absolute numbers (that is a sure because the gap was almost as big as several monthly numbers) or also on percentage?



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