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Wiimote V2?

Yes 90 29.70%
 
No 171 56.44%
 
I don't care as long as ... 42 13.86%
 
Total:303
curl-6 said:
oniyide said:
curl-6 said:

Xenoblade Chronicles X would indeed have been impossible on Wii, (or any last gen system) but here's the thing; the Wii original is a better game in spite of its more limited horsepower. Similarly, Mario Galaxy is better than 3D World despite running on far weaker hardware. More horsepower means more options, but it doesn't guarantee that these options will result in a better experience. A lot of great art uses a limited array of colours or techniques, while anyone can throw a hundred colours on a piece of canvas and produce nothing but a mess.

Every system has tons of shitty games; I tend to buy and play the good ones. Prime 3 used more than just the pointer; both tilt and motion were used for various actions. And if it's examples of motion-controlled games without Motion Plus you want, I'd point to Zack & Wiki, Silent Hill Shattered Memories, Medal of Honor Heroes 2, LostWinds 1 and 2, and Shaun White Snowboarding...

Chronicles X wouldnt be able to run the way it is on the WIi that is a fact, there would be a version of it but i can imagine they would have to cut stuff and it would look worse. Wii U is stronger than Wii, X could run on PS360. More options is never a bad thing, its better to have it than not. Its not like the PS4 and Xone arent having colorful games cause of its power.

IMHO none of those games really required motion, they would have been fine without it, which is kind of my point the whole thing did a poor job of really showing motion capabilities which is why its all but dead. A game will be good no matter what control scheme you use, but a crap game will still be crap and Wii had a lot of crap (im looking at all the Wiisports knockoffs)

PS360 have less than half as much RAM as Wii U, and Chronicles X is a memory bound game. Could you make a version of it for PS3/360? Sure. But you would have to reduce its memory footprint by over 50%, which would necessitate reducing asset density and quality, etc.

And sure, it's nice to have options, but power and game quality often do not correlate. For example, The original Xbox was much more powerful than the PS2, yet most would argue the PS2 had a better library.

I can say for sure I would not have enjoyed any of those games as much without motion controls, and the same goes for most of the system's best games, like Mario Galaxy 1 + 2, Prime 3, Skyward Sword, etc. Hell, when given the option, I play Wii U games like Tropical Freeze and Black Ops 2/Ghosts with the Wiimote.

 


I don't get why people keep trying to argue with u about ur own personal opinion



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oniyide said:
bowserthedog said:
oniyide said:
bowserthedog said:

 

 

Well..  I think by all accounts the 3ds is a major success.  Due to smartphones there is no longer a casual market for dedicated hanhelds but the system effectively survived when the Vita fell off. And the 3ds is actually growing year over year in america this year largely due to the enhanced 3d and the New 3ds. The dedicated hanheld market is basically returning to what is used to be before the ds expanded the market beyond core gamers.  That expanded market is now gone.

Well the thing about the wii was that it didn't get too many ports of 3rd party games. You really needed to create a game from the ground up to do well on the system. It would have been a lot of work to port down some of those fighting games to it and due to the fact that core gamers who owned a wii also owned one or both (in my base both) of the other systems there would be no incentive to buy those games on wii due to the lack of online features and poor graphics. But there were some gems in the fighting genre which were exclusive to the system and it was essential to gamers who wanted to play the best 3 or 4 fighting games available. Two of which were exclusive to wii.

It would be foolhearty right now to base a whole system around VR. But eventually I think we will want the best of the best dev's making their best work for it.  It has a chance to be something pretty big.  And i don't think you can criticize Nintendo's decisions on the wii as being foolhearty. They made more profit in their peak year on Wii than sony and microsoft made off the entire generation combined. (yeah i know that's hard to back up but it's likely true)

by Ninty's own accounts you would be wrong. You just dont cut the price of a system you just launched beause its a success, hard to spin that one. Dont know why the Vita was brought in, as the situation would ahve been largely the same anyway. America is not the world, im judging by sales as a WHOLE, and as a whole it has gone down. 3ds is actually on track to sell less than GBA and it will be on the market longer. SO its not even returning to its former glory.

I know all that, and that was due to it being essentially an overclocked GC, thats what is was. That one is on Ninty and it doesnt help that there standard controller would be a no no for those types of games. So your Capcoms and Namcos wouldnt even try and i cant blame them. Tvs.C was ported from arcade as the board they used for that game is the same in Wii so realy easy port(to bad servers are down) none of those games were essential. Smash for Wii wasnt even played competitvely, not like Melee or even the new one is. Tvs.C you're giving that game too much credit, its not like it sold gangbusters, and you cant even play online, damn near all the fighting games on last gen systems are still being played.

Ok and, what now? they are getting beat left right and center. I get it, they tried something and it worked. if im being honest i dont care how much they made, cause at the end of the day its not like the money translated into better games, the system kept getting shovelware, the motion controller tech kept sucking and when they did actually did improve it they barely supported it. Now we have Wii U...(which i actually like)



It's still a much larger success than any would be predicted.  It was certainly miss priced though when it launched.  Yes it will come up short of the gameboy advance most likely.  It really depends on how long Nintendo waits for a new handheld system and how well the 3ds is supported after a successor has come into play.  I'm perplexed at you suggesting the 3ds has been on the market for longer than the gameboy advance. Gamebox advance was discountinued 9 years after it's launch. Nintendo handhelds typically sell a lot of units after the new version has already launched. The market as a whole for dedicated handhelds though is returning to the level in which it was at in the Gameboy Advance era. The Vita will end up accounting for most likely 16 million or so sales.  And the 3ds will end up at 70 million plus. Another mistake Nintendo made with the 3ds was the launch lineup not having any of Nintendo's top franchises in it. You have to account for the fact that in the Gameboy Advance days Nintendo had no real competiiton. Sony jumping in had an effect on Nintendo this gen as the casual audience is now gone.

I'm not sure what you're referring to in terms of Nintendo getting beat left, right, and center?  3ds is destroying vita and yes the wiiu is getting destroyed but overall Nintendo will likely still sell about 90 million units of hardware this generation and will own roughly 50% of the software sales on their own systems.

It's very easy to attack someone when they are down. Nintendo has done a lot of things differently from what I would have wanted. But in all honesty they've done very very well for themselves. This generation they made all the mistakes there is to make and they are still surviving and still back in profit. Nintendo is the one company in gaming I don't ever worry about. If they end up tranisitioning out of hardware one day because they've had a bunch of bombs in a row they can easily become one of the most if not the most profitable 3rd parties in the world. And the reason for that is the quality of games they make has never been an issue.





zorg1000 said:
oniyide said:

by Ninty's own accounts you would be wrong. You just dont cut the price of a system you just launched beause its a success, hard to spin that one.

 

 


So it wasn't a success in its first 5 months which means that it can't be considered a success now? That's some weird logic

its still trailing far behind even GBA, i dont see how people can see it as a success, cause its beating Vita?





curl-6 said:
oniyide said:
curl-6 said:

Xenoblade Chronicles X would indeed have been impossible on Wii, (or any last gen system) but here's the thing; the Wii original is a better game in spite of its more limited horsepower. Similarly, Mario Galaxy is better than 3D World despite running on far weaker hardware. More horsepower means more options, but it doesn't guarantee that these options will result in a better experience. A lot of great art uses a limited array of colours or techniques, while anyone can throw a hundred colours on a piece of canvas and produce nothing but a mess.

Every system has tons of shitty games; I tend to buy and play the good ones. Prime 3 used more than just the pointer; both tilt and motion were used for various actions. And if it's examples of motion-controlled games without Motion Plus you want, I'd point to Zack & Wiki, Silent Hill Shattered Memories, Medal of Honor Heroes 2, LostWinds 1 and 2, and Shaun White Snowboarding...

Chronicles X wouldnt be able to run the way it is on the WIi that is a fact, there would be a version of it but i can imagine they would have to cut stuff and it would look worse. Wii U is stronger than Wii, X could run on PS360. More options is never a bad thing, its better to have it than not. Its not like the PS4 and Xone arent having colorful games cause of its power.

IMHO none of those games really required motion, they would have been fine without it, which is kind of my point the whole thing did a poor job of really showing motion capabilities which is why its all but dead. A game will be good no matter what control scheme you use, but a crap game will still be crap and Wii had a lot of crap (im looking at all the Wiisports knockoffs)

PS360 have less than half as much RAM as Wii U, and Chronicles X is a memory bound game. Could you make a version of it for PS3/360? Sure. But you would have to reduce its memory footprint by over 50%, which would necessitate reducing asset density and quality, etc.

And sure, it's nice to have options, but power and game quality often do not correlate. For example, The original Xbox was much more powerful than the PS2, yet most would argue the PS2 had a better library.

I can say for sure I would not have enjoyed any of those games as much without motion controls, and the same goes for most of the system's best games, like Mario Galaxy 1 + 2, Prime 3, Skyward Sword, etc. Hell, when given the option, I play Wii U games like Tropical Freeze and Black Ops 2/Ghosts with the Wiimote.

 

they would argue it had a better library cause it had more games, that seems obvious and the multiplats that did come out ran better on xbox which made for a better experience so there is a correlation

as for your last point, you might be in the minority for that.



oniyide said:

they would argue it had a better library cause it had more games, that seems obvious and the multiplats that did come out ran better on xbox which made for a better experience so there is a correlation

as for your last point, you might be in the minority for that.

Having more horsepower did not magically grant Xbox better games though.

And I'm on the minority with most of my opinions of gaming, I've long since come to terms with that.



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bowserthedog said:
oniyide said:

by Ninty's own accounts you would be wrong. You just dont cut the price of a system you just launched beause its a success, hard to spin that one. Dont know why the Vita was brought in, as the situation would ahve been largely the same anyway. America is not the world, im judging by sales as a WHOLE, and as a whole it has gone down. 3ds is actually on track to sell less than GBA and it will be on the market longer. SO its not even returning to its former glory.

I know all that, and that was due to it being essentially an overclocked GC, thats what is was. That one is on Ninty and it doesnt help that there standard controller would be a no no for those types of games. So your Capcoms and Namcos wouldnt even try and i cant blame them. Tvs.C was ported from arcade as the board they used for that game is the same in Wii so realy easy port(to bad servers are down) none of those games were essential. Smash for Wii wasnt even played competitvely, not like Melee or even the new one is. Tvs.C you're giving that game too much credit, its not like it sold gangbusters, and you cant even play online, damn near all the fighting games on last gen systems are still being played.

Ok and, what now? they are getting beat left right and center. I get it, they tried something and it worked. if im being honest i dont care how much they made, cause at the end of the day its not like the money translated into better games, the system kept getting shovelware, the motion controller tech kept sucking and when they did actually did improve it they barely supported it. Now we have Wii U...(which i actually like)



It's still a much larger success than any would be predicted.  It was certainly miss priced though when it launched.  Yes it will come up short of the gameboy advance most likely.  It really depends on how long Nintendo waits for a new handheld system and how well the 3ds is supported after a successor has come into play.  I'm perplexed at you suggesting the 3ds has been on the market for longer than the gameboy advance. Gamebox advance was discountinued 9 years after it's launch. Nintendo handhelds typically sell a lot of units after the new version has already launched. The market as a whole for dedicated handhelds though is returning to the level in which it was at in the Gameboy Advance era. The Vita will end up accounting for most likely 16 million or so sales.  And the 3ds will end up at 70 million plus. Another mistake Nintendo made with the 3ds was the launch lineup not having any of Nintendo's top franchises in it. You have to account for the fact that in the Gameboy Advance days Nintendo had no real competiiton. Sony jumping in had an effect on Nintendo this gen as the casual audience is now gone.

I'm not sure what you're referring to in terms of Nintendo getting beat left, right, and center?  3ds is destroying vita and yes the wiiu is getting destroyed but overall Nintendo will likely still sell about 90 million units of hardware this generation and will own roughly 50% of the software sales on their own systems.

It's very easy to attack someone when they are down. Nintendo has done a lot of things differently from what I would have wanted. But in all honesty they've done very very well for themselves. This generation they made all the mistakes there is to make and they are still surviving and still back in profit. Nintendo is the one company in gaming I don't ever worry about. If they end up tranisitioning out of hardware one day because they've had a bunch of bombs in a row they can easily become one of the most if not the most profitable 3rd parties in the world. And the reason for that is the quality of games they make has never been an issue.



i dont know how long you been on this site, but people were predicting it would be doing much better than it has (same goes for WiiU) GBA was from 2001-2008, not really 9 years. also keep in mind that DS released in 2004 so pretty much GBA only had about 4 years of actual support. Sony jumped in before but that didnt really stop DS doing gangbuster numbers it did. Dont think 3ds is doing 70mil, not when its dropping YOY and NX is coming no later than 2017. How do you think it will manage that?

3ds is destroying Vita, like DS did PSP before and Game Gear before that, but thats not the opponent, Vita was never gonna be a problem, mobile is what is really eating into their sales and they have yet to find an answer to combat that. It is helping them keep afloat, that much is true.

Been on this site for years and have been saying the same things, because it is true. yeah they make great games, not arguing that...didnt really address my points. but thats ok





oniyide said:
zorg1000 said:


So it wasn't a success in its first 5 months which means that it can't be considered a success now? That's some weird logic

its still trailing far behind even GBA, i dont see how people can see it as a success, cause its beating Vita?



 

If u don't think it's a success that's fine, I was just saying that ur last comment was a poor reason for considering it a failure.

This is a legitimate reason, 3DS has seen Nintendo's yearly handheld shipments drop to their lowest since the mid-90s.

This is not a legitimate reason, 3DS got a price cut early in its life.



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