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zero129 said:
OneKartVita said:

Sony are selling ps2 games on PC or do you mean you still have the discs?  I don't have most of mine anymore.. 



Why would you ask this question when his answer doesnt imploy such a thing? and also when you know Sony doesnt sell games on the PC.

However a user can still buy PS2 games in many places for dirt cheap and that same user can then play them games on the PC.

And also many users still do have all their original games i know i hate selling my games and is one of the main reasons why i dont mind going Digital and own so many games on steam.



 

I know that and it's fine.  If the article had a tl;Dr version I would have seen that.  However I'd still choose to buy the handful of ps2 games I care for on psn to support Sony not second hand dealers.  There's only like 5 ps2 games total I'd rebuy. San andreas and vice city are two of them.  

 

I'm not saying I'd go buy them for 15 quid on psn expecially when I don't have time for them now but I'll get them eventually for the price of a pint in a flash sale / regular sale.  



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zero129 said:
Ruler said:

Interesting read but doesnt make it PC gaming irrelevant if console emulation is so effective? if i can play my PS4 purchases in higher resolution and higher framerate 10 years from now?
anyways it shows why i keep going physical it will benifit me in the long run, maybe i should try ps2 again on my pc. Is ther a way to use my ps3 memorycard adapter?

I think emulation is like an after thought when someone is buying a PC kinda like "Sweet, i can reply my old console games on my pc without having to pull out the original console", other then "Im not going to buy a PS4 cos ill be able to play its games 10 years from now on PC".

Like no matter how good console emulation gets on PC, people are still going to want the original hardware and are not going to want to wait 5-10 year to play them games for the first time.

As for the PS2 mem card adapter for PS3 since its standed usb im pretty sure the should be no problems using it on PC and going by this thread it seems to work http://www.gamespot.com/forums/playstation-nation-1000002/will-ps2-memorycard-to-ps3-usb-adapter-work-on-a-p-26895393/

 

Why? i buy physical wiiu and ps4 games now, the supirior format. Play them, enjoy them and in 10 years i can play however i want.



sc94597 said:
SvennoJ said:

Both are free and legal—none of the code in the emulators themselves belongs to Sony

While that is technically true, you have to mod chip / jail break your ps2 to get the bios to be able to use the emulator.
Sony doesn't sell the BIOS nor made it available for use on anything besides the ps2, therefore pscx2 is in a gray area when it comes to legality.

Anyway I'm not going to download the bios from a dodgy site, nor am I going to jailbreak my ps2. So pointless download.

It is legal to use a bios you have extracted, just as it is legal to use a rom/iso you have extracted. That isn't legally grey except in countries that don't follow this policy. In the U.S - at least - it is legal. For this reason, Sony hasn't ordered the emulator to be taken down. That isn't grey at all. It is illegal to use a bios that you have not extracted, just as it is illegal to use a rom you have not extracted. Ethically, however, it doesn't bother me to use a bios that has not been extracted by myself, but it does bother me to pirate games without a justified reason (i.e wasn't localized, not in print/purchasable,etc, etc.) I bought a PS2, I bought all of my games. Sony can't ask for much more than that. 

There are so many non "dodgy" sites where you can get a bios, and it literally takes seconds. If the overwhelming majority of other users can do this with no problem, I really can't see your irrational fear as legitimate. Nevertheless, for most people you must realize this isn't an issue. If it is for you, so be it. Your values are prioritized quite differently.  

It's a slippery slope to me. Is it legal to download movies you have on VHS or Laserdisc? Or to download my pal dvds that won't play here, since I can rip them and convert them using the pc. Just because you can obtain it legally, doesn't mean it's alright to obtain it illegally.

Anyway I still turn on the ps2 now and then out of nostalgia, which is usually satisfied after 15 minutes. I was just curious to see if sticking a ps2 disc in my laptop would work, it might, just not without a few hoops.



SvennoJ said:
sc94597 said:
SvennoJ said:
 

Both are free and legal—none of the code in the emulators themselves belongs to Sony

While that is technically true, you have to mod chip / jail break your ps2 to get the bios to be able to use the emulator.
Sony doesn't sell the BIOS nor made it available for use on anything besides the ps2, therefore pscx2 is in a gray area when it comes to legality.

Anyway I'm not going to download the bios from a dodgy site, nor am I going to jailbreak my ps2. So pointless download.

It is legal to use a bios you have extracted, just as it is legal to use a rom/iso you have extracted. That isn't legally grey except in countries that don't follow this policy. In the U.S - at least - it is legal. For this reason, Sony hasn't ordered the emulator to be taken down. That isn't grey at all. It is illegal to use a bios that you have not extracted, just as it is illegal to use a rom you have not extracted. Ethically, however, it doesn't bother me to use a bios that has not been extracted by myself, but it does bother me to pirate games without a justified reason (i.e wasn't localized, not in print/purchasable,etc, etc.) I bought a PS2, I bought all of my games. Sony can't ask for much more than that. 

There are so many non "dodgy" sites where you can get a bios, and it literally takes seconds. If the overwhelming majority of other users can do this with no problem, I really can't see your irrational fear as legitimate. Nevertheless, for most people you must realize this isn't an issue. If it is for you, so be it. Your values are prioritized quite differently.  

It's a slippery slope to me. Is it legal to download movies you have on VHS or Laserdisc? Or to download my pal dvds that won't play here, since I can rip them and convert them using the pc. Just because you can obtain it legally, doesn't mean it's alright to obtain it illegally.

Anyway I still turn on the ps2 now and then out of nostalgia, which is usually satisfied after 15 minutes. I was just curious to see if sticking a ps2 disc in my laptop would work, it might, just not without a few hoops.

I acknowledge that both of those scenarios aren't legal in most countries, I am not disputing that. But what is legal =/= ethical =/= moral. I personally see the case of downloading a bios for a console you had already purchased and downloading a game that is still for sale which you had not purchased as totally different things ethically, even if they are both equally illegal. There is no damage to Sony's IP by using a bios to play the games you purchased on a separate platform, if you already purchased the console of theirs with said bios.  I am alright with following laws that I agree with and not following those I don't. If I follow a law I don't agree with, usually that is because I will be reprimanded for it and the cost+risk outweighs the benefit. But I guess different strokes for different folks. 



Yeah right, and how do I throw my money at Squenix and Sony then? This doesn't make any sense.



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zero129 said:
OneKartVita said:

 

I know that and it's fine.  If the article had a tl;Dr version I would have seen that.  However I'd still choose to buy the handful of ps2 games I care for on psn to support Sony not second hand dealers.  There's only like 5 ps2 games total I'd rebuy. San andreas and vice city are two of them.  

 

I'm not saying I'd go buy them for 15 quid on psn expecially when I don't have time for them now but I'll get them eventually for the price of a pint in a flash sale / regular sale.  

Yes like i said, For a user that doesnt own them games in the first place clearly the is nothing wrong with how Sony is doing PS2 emulation.

But for the users who do still own their original PS2 games and own a PC this is just giving them another option without having to pay out twice. Plus the games can really be made to look so much better then the PS4 versions.



 


And it's a good option to have. It reminds me of am old pc game I used to play 10 years ago.  I stoll have the disc in perfect condition but instead of putting it into my laptops disc drive I just downloaded the ISO. Once you buy the product I'm good with it. 



Also, emulation is a poor way of experiencing a lot of games. Various glitches are introduced to most every game and framerates are a tricky beast if you have any of those post-processing effects going on. If you're looking for fidelity, the original hardware is your only sure bet.

An interesting article on the Mythbuster's site does a good job of explaining why even the most modern, high-end PCs struggle to perfectly reproduce the even SNES. 

By and large, most of the ROMs that run well on emulation do so because the particular emulator you're running them on has a myriad of patches designed specifically to augment the way your PC handles sticky portions of the games. If you plan on playing anything but the "top 25s" on a givn system, emulation is going to get a little messy. 

Remember, most of these classics ran on proprietary hardware, and even a boatload of RAM doesn't always mean total fidelity.



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Why you should play PS2 Classics on PS4:

1: It supports the original developer and does not condone to piracy (of which every single person using these emulators is doing, regardless of deflated arguments like "I only play games I own")

2: It encourages more PS2 Classics to be released on PS4, showing that things like this are in demand and allowing PS4 users more perks like this in the future.

3: The Classics on PS4 have trophy support, giving trophy hunters an excuse to play the games again.

4: It exposes a new generation of gamer to PS2 games through advertising on the PlayStation Store, as opposed to demanding that generation do their research.

5: It's easier and more user friendly than buggy, unofficial emulators.

6: Playing at just acceptable levels require an exceptional processor, as last I checked this emulator could not tap the GPU and thus required the CPU to do all the work. This would mean that, just for the price of a processor to play at PS2 levels, you could have purchased a PS4 (or even better, a PS2 and the games you want).

7: Playing with the 4K resolutions and shrinking the display area would require an even more powerful/expensive computer, adding emphasis to point 6.

For the record, most PC gamers on this forum don't continuously take shots at console gaming. It's mostly kept contained to playful jabs here and there, however I've learned to associate your Naruto avatar with not just PC bias, but anti-PlayStation bias. I obviously can't speak for everyone, but I could do with a lot less "This is why you don't need a console" debate.



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I'll stick to PS4 emulation. While it sucks it doesn't support the discs, who knows what the future of the emulator is. Maybe one day they will support discs, just not trophies for all games. I also hope they lower the prices a little, or at least have sales now and then.

More importantly, I'm like the vast majority of PC owners, and don't have a PC more powerful than even the XBO. So, even if we put the emulator on our PCs, it would run like shit. The PS4 emulator also doesn't require us downloading BIOS, which I think is technically illegal, as well as messing around with plug-ins. While I would have no problem with that, as I have set up a Sega CD emulator before, others would. There's also the fact that if you don't want to purchase games illegally, you'll be buying quite a few from Ebay, many of which are quite expensive with shipping. With the PS4 we have an easy to use interface and it looks like all games will be $9.99-$14.99, regardless of how rare they are to obtain, now.