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Thanks for the input here guys. I am going to look into the legality of the situation. And, as far as the bonus part, I'm willing to say fuck it. I don't feel like it is the responsibility of the workers to enforce safety. Yes, it's up to each individual employee to work under the protocol, but it's not up to each one to report it and do the job of management for them. You want to catch someone fucking up? Then YOU catch them. Don't pit worker vs worker in a he said she said situation. It's absolute bullshit. My bonus is quite hefty, and I'm happy to not take it in exchange for knowing I didn't stoop to such a low level. But, the problem is, when the guy that needs it, and makes up something, to satisfy the monthly quota. And, as far as sue for defamation? Yeah, as likely to win that as it is to save your job from a liar, making up a scenario to satisfy quota. Tension is high, as a result of this news. I can't imagine what's going to come of this. And no, if snitching is a part of the job, so be it? Fuck that. I don't know how, but I need to prevent this shit from happening. Going to contact a union rep, see if we can't get this place unionized.... we need representation.



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O-D-C said:
I'm a supervisor where I work (not manufacturing mind you - IT - but still) and I completely disagree with this.

It should be management's best interest to foster an environment where ALL staff respect the rules but also respect each-other and are happy to come to work, this leads to more productive staff who are more open to change down the road.

In your case I would suggest a self-report policy. Notice something unsafe? Report it to your direct superior. They can then reward you how they see fit. Don't see anything unsafe? Move on with life. This would ensure that staff are rewarded for best practices (reporting unsafe behavior) while at the same time fostering a trusting work environment.

Sadly, I've also worked for organisations in the past that don't see the benefit of employee relations and believe in the 'because I say so rule'. So happy to be somewhere where that isn't the case.

Anyway, those are my 2 cents.

Thank you, it's nice to see input from a supervisor. Thanks for taking a minute to put your 2 cents, it's worth more than that, so thank you. I'm sick about this. Still at a loss for words....



DonFerrari said:
In aviation we have safety awareness and reports box but all anonymous. Here I believe it would be ilegal to demand snitching. But I doubt you never saw any protocol being broken if you know it, my shop floor have 9 employee and I see violations multiple times a day


That's the thing, they're not looking for small things. I see stuff like not wearing certain ppe, or not wearing goggles for certain things... they're saying big, fireable offenses, like improper lock out-tag out. I don't see things like that. But that's what they want, and expect. It's insane to me. That's what's so troubling. We've always had a safety observation policy, where we write up things, anonymously, but now, they want names for big shit...



Justagamer said:

Ok, today it was revealed to me and my coworkers that management has decided to force a snitch policy.

I work in a manufacturing plant, and there has been a few minor injuries, mostly scrapes and a few cuts that haven't needed any form of medical attention.

Now, the policy is mandatory participation, and it's regarding safety protocols. We have to write up, each month, a report of someone doing something unsafe, and and against procedure, and we have to out them by name. We can't say we didn't see anything either, as they they that would be a lie.

I have a huge problem with this. I haven't seen a safety violation in 3 years with my own eyes. And, to make matters worse, if we don't out someone, we will lose our bonus at the end of the year as punishment. It makes me sick. Hand everyone a knife, and tell us to stick in each other's back. Wtf.

I wish this wasn't legal, but I'm assuming it is. I can't see how this is a smart thing to do.... I don't know what I'm looking for with this thread, if anything, to atleast see how others feel about this type of crap. I'm at a loss for words at this point.

Thanks......

Do something mildly unsafe each month, like leave a screw driver poking over the edge of a work bench, and snitch on yourself.

Personally I think an "own up" policy would be better. Each month identify something in your own work practises that was not as safe as it could be or should be and talk about how you are going to improve your own performance. The important thing for a company is to use mistakes as learning exercises and reward people for owning mistakes. The only time there is negative consequences is if poor safety attitudes are shown and an unwillingness to change in order to improve.



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If you're really aiming for that bonus, snitch on yourself for exposing the company's dirty laundry online.

Good luck to you sir on getting the money.



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Justagamer said:
Thanks for the input here guys. I am going to look into the legality of the situation. And, as far as the bonus part, I'm willing to say fuck it. I don't feel like it is the responsibility of the workers to enforce safety. Yes, it's up to each individual employee to work under the protocol, but it's not up to each one to report it and do the job of management for them. You want to catch someone fucking up? Then YOU catch them. Don't pit worker vs worker in a he said she said situation. It's absolute bullshit. My bonus is quite hefty, and I'm happy to not take it in exchange for knowing I didn't stoop to such a low level. But, the problem is, when the guy that needs it, and makes up something, to satisfy the monthly quota. And, as far as sue for defamation? Yeah, as likely to win that as it is to save your job from a liar, making up a scenario to satisfy quota. Tension is high, as a result of this news. I can't imagine what's going to come of this. And no, if snitching is a part of the job, so be it? Fuck that. I don't know how, but I need to prevent this shit from happening. Going to contact a union rep, see if we can't get this place unionized.... we need representation.


Safety responsability isn't only individual plus managers... you are responsible for the safety of others, so it's your responsibility to report on unsafe conditions or similar.

But yes, the snitching is pretty troublesome and possibly ilegal.

Now I understand your point about not seeing problems, you are talking about really big issues.



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They can't force you to lie, they can't claim you're lying without evidence, and they can't fire you for not lying. There's no way this is legal. Talk to the Better Business Bureau, or just be honest in your reports and contact a lawyer if they try to do anything to you. I'm sure there are a million lawyers out there that would take your case, as not only is this illegal, but it's creating a hostile work environment. And encourage your co-workers to do the same, because the only way to fight injustice is simply to not tolerate it.



AbbathTheGrim said:
If you're really aiming for that bonus, snitch on yourself for exposing the company's dirty laundry online.

Good luck to you sir on getting the money.

As far as airing out my companies dirty laundry, I've not said location, type of company or anything that pinpoints what they are. So shove it. Deep.





Arlo said:
They can't force you to lie, they can't claim you're lying without evidence, and they can't fire you for not lying. There's no way this is legal. Talk to the Better Business Bureau, or just be honest in your reports and contact a lawyer if they try to do anything to you. I'm sure there are a million lawyers out there that would take your case, as not only is this illegal, but it's creating a hostile work environment. And encourage your co-workers to do the same, because the only way to fight injustice is simply to not tolerate it.

 

Thanks, that's some sound and honest advice. I appreciate it. 



Justagamer said:
DonFerrari said:
In aviation we have safety awareness and reports box but all anonymous. Here I believe it would be ilegal to demand snitching. But I doubt you never saw any protocol being broken if you know it, my shop floor have 9 employee and I see violations multiple times a day


That's the thing, they're not looking for small things. I see stuff like not wearing certain ppe, or not wearing goggles for certain things... they're saying big, fireable offenses, like improper lock out-tag out. I don't see things like that. But that's what they want, and expect. It's insane to me. That's what's so troubling. We've always had a safety observation policy, where we write up things, anonymously, but now, they want names for big shit...

My take...

Company is struggling financially, need to shed some financial burdens like employees. Not sure if you're privy to the books, but I'd start looking at other opportunities...

The reason they aren't just laying people off is because they do not want to be obligated to pay unemployment.