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curl-6 said:
Miyamotoo said:

TP is cross platform game that was released in same time on two devices, so not exactly same thing when they released OoT Remake 13 years after original game on handheld.

I didnt said ALBW will sell better than SS because there is no so much sense to compare handheld Zelda game and home console Zelda game sales because home console Zelda games sales better. I said ALBW will out sell last Zelda handheld game (thats Spirit Tracs) and maybe even early as end of this year because ALBW passed 3m few months ago. And Zelda U will out sell SS, so again, series isn't in decline like you wrote.

Long term decline!? What are you talking about!? Only decline that we had was from TP to SS and from Phantom Hourglass to Spirit Tracks, and that was in one generation.

You didnt answer my question, So you saying that Wii Fit, Wii Play, Wii Fit Plus, NSMB Wii are 3-4 times "bigger" games beacuse they sold 3-4 better than Last Of Us, game that won so many prizes and widely accepted as probably biggest/best game of previous gen!?

Both games are on multiple platforms. Whether you measure their total, or on a single platform (TP Wii vs Ocarina 64) the game with the most copies in players hands in Ocarina.  But we are going off track; the point is, no, you do not have to compare to Twilight Princess for recent Zelda sales to look small; compared to Ocarina or the NES original, they're comparatively small also.

As I've said, things like cultural impact do play a part, as with TLOU, so putting a number like "3-4 times" to it serves little purpose, but sales are the final decider, as a game cannot be among the biggest of the generation if not many people even played it.

I get what you are saying, that to you Zelda will be one of the best/biggest games of this gen, and thats fine, but you need to realize that to the market at large, it will not be. It will be highly rated by critics and well liked by the small and shrinking band of Nintendo diehards, but most gamers will not even care about it.

But my point is that Zelda U will not have small sales compared to best selling Zelda's (NES Zelda, OoT, TP), it will sold more than previous Zelda SS and handheld Zelda will also outsell previous Zelda.

Again, "biggest"/best game doesn't equals best sales, thats is a fact. Wii Play is one of the biggest seller of previous gen, do you consider Wii Play for biggest/best of generation!? So you basically saying that TLOU isn't one of the"biggest"/best game of previous gen!?

It not just for me, Zelda U will be one of the "biggest"/best games of generation, same like probably The Last Guardian or Uncharted 4..or TLOU last gen, all those games will (or were) attract great attention of whole gaming community and gamers not just people who having PS4, PS3 or in case of Zelda U Wii U. Do you realise that Zelda U have great chance to be GOTY or even GOTG, only that make it one of the "biggest"/best games of generation. Again, one of the "biggest" game does not equal one of the best selling game.





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Miyamotoo said:
curl-6 said:

Both games are on multiple platforms. Whether you measure their total, or on a single platform (TP Wii vs Ocarina 64) the game with the most copies in players hands in Ocarina.  But we are going off track; the point is, no, you do not have to compare to Twilight Princess for recent Zelda sales to look small; compared to Ocarina or the NES original, they're comparatively small also.

As I've said, things like cultural impact do play a part, as with TLOU, so putting a number like "3-4 times" to it serves little purpose, but sales are the final decider, as a game cannot be among the biggest of the generation if not many people even played it.

I get what you are saying, that to you Zelda will be one of the best/biggest games of this gen, and thats fine, but you need to realize that to the market at large, it will not be. It will be highly rated by critics and well liked by the small and shrinking band of Nintendo diehards, but most gamers will not even care about it.

But my point is that Zelda U will not have small sales compared to best selling Zelda's (NES Zelda, OoT, TP), it will sold more than previous Zelda SS and handheld Zelda will also outsell previous Zelda.

Again, "biggest"/best game doesn't equals best sales, thats is a fact. Wii Play is one of the biggest seller of previous gen, do you consider Wii Play for biggest/best of generation!? So you basically saying that TLOU isn't one of the"biggest"/best game of previous gen!?

It not just for me, Zelda U will be one of the "biggest"/best games of generation, same like probably The Last Guardian or Uncharted 4..or TLOU last gen, all those games will (or were) attract great attention of whole gaming community and gamers not just people who having PS4, PS3 or in case of Zelda U Wii U. Do you realise that Zelda U have great chance to be GOTY or even GOTG, only that make it one of the "biggest"/best games of generation. Again, one of the "biggest" game does not equal one of the best selling game.

So our disagreement seems to break down to 3 points:

(1) I think sales are a primary factor in what the "biggest" games of a generation are, you don't.

(2) You think Zelda U will come close to Ocarina/TP level sales, I don't.

(3) You think Zelda still has strong appeal to the gaming mainstream, I don't.



curl-6 said:
Pavolink said:
oniyide said:
i think what Curl is trying to say is that Zelda isnt as big as some of the zealots on the site say it is. Now the average sales seem to be 4 mil which is nothing to cough at, but there are much bigger series, COD does more than that on a yearly basis, GTA? forget about it

Zelda can be big, as TP showed us. Unfortunately, Aonuma is stubborn to not understand what fanbase wants. He is so obsessed with his cartoony Zelda.

As I said, as long as he is in charge, I don't have a lot of faith in the future.

This guy gets it.

Zelda can regain Ocarina/Twilight Princess numbers if Nintendo adapt to today's market instead of doing their own thing.

Actually everything Aonuma said about Zelda U is proof that they listening what Zelda fans wants. It also fact that majority of Zelda fans dont want realistic Zelda.

Actually if Zelda U is again cross release like TP was, definitely can get similar TP numbers. Everything we see or hear about Zelda U is great, so I really don't see any problem.



curl-6 said:
Miyamotoo said:

But my point is that Zelda U will not have small sales compared to best selling Zelda's (NES Zelda, OoT, TP), it will sold more than previous Zelda SS and handheld Zelda will also outsell previous Zelda.

Again, "biggest"/best game doesn't equals best sales, thats is a fact. Wii Play is one of the biggest seller of previous gen, do you consider Wii Play for biggest/best of generation!? So you basically saying that TLOU isn't one of the"biggest"/best game of previous gen!?

It not just for me, Zelda U will be one of the "biggest"/best games of generation, same like probably The Last Guardian or Uncharted 4..or TLOU last gen, all those games will (or were) attract great attention of whole gaming community and gamers not just people who having PS4, PS3 or in case of Zelda U Wii U. Do you realise that Zelda U have great chance to be GOTY or even GOTG, only that make it one of the "biggest"/best games of generation. Again, one of the "biggest" game does not equal one of the best selling game.

So our disagreement seems to break down to 3 points:

(1) I think sales are a primary factor in what the "biggest" games of a generation are, you don't.

(2) You think Zelda U will come close to Ocarina/TP level sales, I don't.

(3) You think Zelda still has strong appeal to the gaming mainstream, I don't.

Basicly.





Miyamotoo said:
curl-6 said:
Pavolink said:

Zelda can be big, as TP showed us. Unfortunately, Aonuma is stubborn to not understand what fanbase wants. He is so obsessed with his cartoony Zelda.

As I said, as long as he is in charge, I don't have a lot of faith in the future.

This guy gets it.

Zelda can regain Ocarina/Twilight Princess numbers if Nintendo adapt to today's market instead of doing their own thing.

Actually everything Aonuma said about Zelda U is proof that they listening what Zelda fans wants. It also fact that majority of Zelda fans dont want realistic Zelda.

Actually if Zelda U is again cross release like TP was, definitely can get similar TP numbers. Everything we see or hear about Zelda U is great, so I really don't see any problem.

Zelda fans will buy it either way, but far more non-fans would buy a darker Zelda. For the series to regain mainstream appeal, it needs to conform to what mainstream gamers (the guys who game on Playstation and Xbox) want.



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curl-6 said:
Miyamotoo said:
curl-6 said:
Pavolink said:

Zelda can be big, as TP showed us. Unfortunately, Aonuma is stubborn to not understand what fanbase wants. He is so obsessed with his cartoony Zelda.

As I said, as long as he is in charge, I don't have a lot of faith in the future.

This guy gets it.

Zelda can regain Ocarina/Twilight Princess numbers if Nintendo adapt to today's market instead of doing their own thing.

Actually everything Aonuma said about Zelda U is proof that they listening what Zelda fans wants. It also fact that majority of Zelda fans dont want realistic Zelda.

Actually if Zelda U is again cross release like TP was, definitely can get similar TP numbers. Everything we see or hear about Zelda U is great, so I really don't see any problem.

Zelda fans will buy it either way, but far more non-fans would buy a darker Zelda. For the series to regain mainstream appeal, it needs to conform to what mainstream gamers (the guys who game on Playstation and Xbox) want.

Nintendo doesnt care what PS/Xbox owners wants because they don't release games on those platforms, they care what Zelda and Nintendo fans wants and in same time making game that again will be very unique and different than anything else on market (thats one main of reasons why Zelda series is so great). 

Its obvious that you will listen those who love your product and actually buy it, not those that don't like Zelda series at all and want something different.



Miyamotoo said:

Nintendo doesnt care what PS/Xbox owners wants because they don't release games on those platforms, they care what Zelda and Nintendo fans wants and in same time making game that again will be very unique and different than anything else on market (thats one main of reasons why Zelda series is so great). 

Its obvious that you will listen those who love your product and actually buy it, not those that don't like Zelda series at all and want something different.

And that is why they are getting slaughtered in sales this generation.



curl-6 said:
Miyamotoo said:

Nintendo doesnt care what PS/Xbox owners wants because they don't release games on those platforms, they care what Zelda and Nintendo fans wants and in same time making game that again will be very unique and different than anything else on market (thats one main of reasons why Zelda series is so great). 

Its obvious that you will listen those who love your product and actually buy it, not those that don't like Zelda series at all and want something different.

And that is why they are getting slaughtered in sales this generation.

They slatured because huge mistakes they made with consoles, not with games. Games are great and they are selling phenomenal regardless instal base.



Miyamotoo said:
curl-6 said:
Miyamotoo said:

Nintendo doesnt care what PS/Xbox owners wants because they don't release games on those platforms, they care what Zelda and Nintendo fans wants and in same time making game that again will be very unique and different than anything else on market (thats one main of reasons why Zelda series is so great). 

Its obvious that you will listen those who love your product and actually buy it, not those that don't like Zelda series at all and want something different.

And that is why they are getting slaughtered in sales this generation.

They slatured because huge mistakes they made with consoles, not with games. Games are great and they are selling phenomenal regardless instal base.

Software sells hardware. Wii U's failure is what happens when you ignore the gaming mainstream, which is now on PS4/Xbox One.



curl-6 said:
Miyamotoo said:
curl-6 said:
Miyamotoo said:

Nintendo doesnt care what PS/Xbox owners wants because they don't release games on those platforms, they care what Zelda and Nintendo fans wants and in same time making game that again will be very unique and different than anything else on market (thats one main of reasons why Zelda series is so great). 

Its obvious that you will listen those who love your product and actually buy it, not those that don't like Zelda series at all and want something different.

And that is why they are getting slaughtered in sales this generation.

They slatured because huge mistakes they made with consoles, not with games. Games are great and they are selling phenomenal regardless instal base.

Software sells hardware. Wii U's failure is what happens when you ignore the gaming mainstream, which is now on PS4/Xbox One.

Software sells hardware, but if you have only good software and almost everything else is done bad (terrible name and bad marketing, bad time of launch, bad launch titles, high price, almost useless gamepad, software droughts..) software can't sell hardware, and Nintendo made so many mistakes with Wii U.

Wii success is also happens when you ignore gaming mainstream, you already forget that!?