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oniyide on 08 December 2015

NX is supposed to be at least as powerful as Xone, but portable. And we know Ninty doesnt like to lose money so i think this is going ot be an expensive system



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Miyamotoo on 08 December 2015
potato_hamster said:
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Well of course you don't agree. That would involve entertaining the idea that the console that you've created in your head is a whole lot of wishful thinking, and acknowleding that the marketing phrases you've latched onto can be interpreted in dozens of different ways. I find it rather amusing that this whole argument has bears a striking resemblance to conversations about whether or not one's chosen religion is in fact the correct one, when they refuse to consider that they may in fact be wrong, and all of these other religions have an equal chance of being correct as theirs.

You have a lot of faith in Nintendo sir.

No, just dont have so many time to give you counter arguments and proves that I dont agree with you, over and over again, especially because we had similar conversion few months ago.

I have faith in Nintendo but I certainly didn't expect Wii/DS success with NX, but you dont have none.

Why would I have faith in Nintendo putting out a device that the average gamer wants? They haven't done that since the N64. They're a dinosaur who refused to adapt, have rested on their laurels and churn out rehash after rehash after rehash while their marketshare gets smaller and smaller and smaller. They got lucky with the Wii becoming a fad and have done absolutely nothing to keep any of that momementum going forward.  What evidence do you have to have reasonable expectations that this home console is going to do better than the last, or this handheld is going to do better than the last. There has only ever been one Nintendo home console that sold better than its predecessor. There has only ever been one Nintendo handheld that sold better than its predecessor. It's all right there for you to see, you just choose to ignore it. Maybe you've forgotten but their marketing has made grand claims for every console every single time.

For example: There was a patent Nintendo made a year or so before the Wii U's release that involved being able to take a controller from one console and sync it to another to upload things like save files, profiles etc and do things like split-screen gaming on multiple Wii U gamepads). Did that sound plausible? For sure. Did that happen? Nope.  There were also rumors swirling about at the time about Nintendo and Rockstar teaming up to create a new Nintendo franchise, and that the Wii U was going to be a direct play at trying to get the "hardcore gamer" back from Sony and MS. Did any of those happen? No, and not really. Nintendo made practically no effort in trying to convince people that that the Wii U could go toe-to-toe with the likes of the PS3 or X360, much less the PS4 or X1.

Yet here you are eating it all up. Clinging on to every rumor. Turning every phrased out of Nintendo marketing into what you believe is the best possible outcome for Nintendo's next console.You have an idea in your head of exactly what the NX will be based off of about 3 paragraphs from Nintendo, despite the fact I have pointed out multiple ways those phrases can be interpreted. You dismiss them outright. Prepare to be very disappointed if you're even willing to admit it to yourself that you were wrong. There is no way the console Nintendo puts out will even closely resemble what you believe it to be, yet I'm willing to bet when its announced you'll be shouting from the rooftops about how fantastic Nintendo is, and how they're delivering the console(s) that people want.

Well unified platform definitely isn't what average gamer wants. And if you open eyes and look what all they are doing, you will see that they changing a lot: Amiibo figrues, new account system and services, mobile games, expanding the use of their IPs (for instance Nintendo theme park), completely new unified NX platform...are all huge changes for Nintendo.

Why I think this platform will perform better than last!? Because Wii U was bloody mess, they done everything wrong with Wii U, and when you have very bad product you will try hard next time to perform much better, and everything Nintendo said about Wii U mistakes they done, NX and new platform for me is very positive. Remember, after worst selling Nintendo console to that date (GC), Nintendo had its best selling console. Thats also fact.

Again, it not just about patent, but that patient is basically what Nintendo says about new platform.

And no, I don't believe in rumours, but even those rumours are on pair what Nintendo said and their recent patents.

Yeah, themes like theme parks are huge changes for Nintendo. It's not like they've done past experienments like Super Mario TV shows, live action movies, Nintendo themed cereal and other foods, clothing, action figures, dolls, RC cars, and on and on. Are you forgetting about "The Wizard" a full-length feature commercial for Super Mario Bros. 3? This is the norm for Nintendo. They've been doing things like this for a long long time. It's what Nintendo has always done.

The Super Nintendo sold worse than the Nintendo, making the SNES the worst selling home console in Nintendo history at that time. How did the N64 do? Ohh right. It sold worse than the SNES, making that the worst selling home console in Nintendo History. So after that was the Gamecube. How did that sell? Ohh right, worse than the N64, making the Gamecube the worst selling console in Nintendo history. Your "fact" is the most blatant piece of cherry picking I've seen from a Nintendo fan in a long time. Will the NX home sell better than the Wii U? Almost undoubtedly. It can't get much worse than that!

Funny how you did not mention biggest and more important changes like new account system and services, mobile games and completely new unified NX platform.

SNES was best selling console in its own gen, N64 was second best selling console in it's gen, so both were success in one or other way. But GC was faile, worst selling console of that gen and it was sold 6x worse than best slling console of that gen, so Nintendo realise they need to change approach and they did. But with Wii U they where to relaxed and they made so many mistakes. After Wii U, you can be certain they are not "relax" at all and they will try hard to have much better product.

The only ones we actually know about is an account system that finally brings Nintendo into the millennium. Sony and MS have had this since 2001. Mobile games is yet another foray into related but not necessarily beneficial things. I could argue just as hard that "The Wizard" was far more important than any Mii creator on the iPhone ever will be. As for the "NX unified platform", well we've covered what we actually know about that already (not much).

Nintendo's sales relative to their competitors is kind of irrelevant don't you think? The fact that they finished second compared to the Playstation is somehow better because of how abysmal the Sega Saturn was? That doesn't make much sense. Technically the Dreamcast went up against the likes of the Gamecube, so even the GC didn't techncially finish last it's "generation", so there's that. As for Nintendo "trying hard to have a much better product", are you saying they weren't trying as hard with the SNES, N64 and GC, all of which had poorer sales than their predecessors? Let's be clear. Nintendo has tried its very best every generation to make a successful product. That did not change with the Wii U. It just completely missed the mark. The NX might miss the mark even further for all we know.

No, I said what I meant, "with Wii U they where to relaxed after biggest sixes ever for them and they made so many mistakes, and after Wii U certain they are not "relax" at all and they will try hard to have much better product".

I'm saying they didn't relax. They weren't not trying their hardest to make a successor to the Wii that was equally successful. They just failed.

I saying that they relax after their biggest success in history, Nintendo also said something similar. They thought it's enough just to leave Wii name for console and not to invest in marketing, and console alone will once more flying from shelves, but reality was that name of console and weak and terible marketing are bigest reasons (from huge  number of mistakes) why Wii U failed.

For every console you have reasons why some console was sold good or bad, Wii U has biggest number of reasons why failed, it literally was bloody mess.

http://www.cnbc.com/id/100810130



potato_hamster on 08 December 2015
Miyamotoo said:
potato_hamster said:

I'm saying they didn't relax. They weren't not trying their hardest to make a successor to the Wii that was equally successful. They just failed.

I saying that they relax after their biggest success in history, Nintendo also said something similar. They thought it's enough just to leave Wii name for console and not to invest in marketing, and console alone will once more flying from shelves, but reality was that name of console and weak and terible marketing are bigest reasons (from huge  number of mistakes) why Wii U failed.

For every console you have reasons why some console was sold good or bad, Wii U has biggest number of reasons why failed, it literally was bloody mess.

http://www.cnbc.com/id/100810130

There you go again clining on every word a member of Nintendo's PR/Marketing team says. Maybe they did think the Wii name would do some of the marketing for them", it worked for the Super Nintendo after all. It's also worked with Sony and the Playstation 2, 3, and 4, and with Microsoft and the Xbox 360 and Xbox One.  That's no real excuse. Did Nintendo do a poor job or marketing? Yes. Is that a dominant reason why the Wii U sold poorly? Absolutely not.

This does not mean that Nintendo did not put forth their best effort in making a console they felt would be successful. The Wii U is not as successful as the PS4 because Sony did a better job of marketing than Nintendo did. The Wii U is not successful because Nintendo made a console that people did not want to buy, because it's underpowered, because it's too expensive, because the screen in the controller forces players to take their eyes off the television, because it doesn't have the types of games the average gamer likes to play etc. etc. Marketing is only one factor small factor. I'm pretty sure Sony just do annoucements at E3, and do no other advertising or marketing otherwise, and still PS4 would still outsell the Wii U.

Also, the Wii U was not "literally" a bloody mess, it was figuratively a bloody mess.



Miyamotoo on 08 December 2015
potato_hamster said:
Miyamotoo said:
potato_hamster said:
 

I'm saying they didn't relax. They weren't not trying their hardest to make a successor to the Wii that was equally successful. They just failed.

I saying that they relax after their biggest success in history, Nintendo also said something similar. They thought it's enough just to leave Wii name for console and not to invest in marketing, and console alone will once more flying from shelves, but reality was that name of console and weak and terible marketing are bigest reasons (from huge  number of mistakes) why Wii U failed.

For every console you have reasons why some console was sold good or bad, Wii U has biggest number of reasons why failed, it literally was bloody mess.

http://www.cnbc.com/id/100810130

There you go again clining on every word a member of Nintendo's PR/Marketing team says. Maybe they did think the Wii name would do some of the marketing for them", it worked for the Super Nintendo after all. It's also worked with Sony and the Playstation 2, 3, and 4, and with Microsoft and the Xbox 360 and Xbox One.  That's no real excuse. Did Nintendo do a poor job or marketing? Yes. Is that a dominant reason why the Wii U sold poorly? Absolutely not.

This does not mean that Nintendo did not put forth their best effort in making a console they felt would be successful. The Wii U is not as successful as the PS4 because Sony did a better job of marketing than Nintendo did. The Wii U is not successful because Nintendo made a console that people did not want to buy, because it's underpowered, because it's too expensive, because the screen in the controller forces players to take their eyes off the television, because it doesn't have the types of games the average gamer likes to play etc. etc. Marketing is only one factor small factor. I'm pretty sure Sony just do annoucements at E3, and do no other advertising or marketing otherwise, and still PS4 would still outsell the Wii U.

Also, the Wii U was not "literally" a bloody mess, it was figuratively a bloody mess.

No, I thought that even before Nintendo said they were "relax" in some sort.

Wii 2, Super Wii or Wii HD would be much better names than Wii U. That in combination with marketing that send basically massage that Wii U is actually just a tablet controller for Wii, are single biggest mistakes, and in combination with other mistakes you have faile on scope of Wii U.

So we both agree that Nintendo done almost everything wrong with Wii U, only I think they certainly want (and can't) repeat all those mistakes because after fail like this they sit down and said "why Wii U is such a huge fail and how to make next console product that will sell much better".  Also, Nintendo addressed most of Wii U mistakes and they said they will not repeat them with next console.



bigtakilla on 08 December 2015

What it really boils down to is NX reveal, LoZ Wii U, and the account system (well, from what I took away from this).

What Nintendo fans should REALLY be excited for is:
Zelda U
Pokken
Shin Megami Tensei X Fire Emblem
Star Fox
Mighty No 9
Bloodstained
NX news
Account system
Dragon Quest VII and VIII 3DS
Bravely Second
Fire Emblem IF
Monster Hunter X
Monster Hunter Stories
Final Fantasy Explorers
and anything else still to be announced



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Ljink96 on 08 December 2015
bigtakilla said:
What it really boils down to is NX reveal, LoZ Wii U, and the account system (well, from what I took away from this).

What Nintendo fans should REALLY be excited for is:
Zelda U
Pokken
Shin Megami Tensei X Fire Emblem
Star Fox
Mighty No 9
Bloodstained
NX news
Account system
Dragon Quest VII and VIII 3DS
Bravely Second
Fire Emblem IF
Monster Hunter X
Monster Hunter Stories
Final Fantasy Explorers
and anything else still to be announced

I always start thinking, as a Nintendo fan, that Nintendo has nothing to show. Everytime I see lists like this, I'm like, "oh, yeah, Nintendo's fine".



Metroid33slayer on 08 December 2015
Miyamotoo said:

-Launching of new account system and services like My Nintendo.

-Launching of firsts mobile games.

-Expanding the use of their IPs (for instance Nintendo theme park).

-Launch of biggest and probably most anticipated Nintendo game ever, Zelda U.

-Revealing and (and very likely) launch of completely new unified NX platform.

 

2016 will be huge for Nintendo, and probably one of the most important year in company's history, especially after faile with Wii U.

You forgot the very probable release of a brand new 3d mario game, pikmin 4 and pokken tournament.



Nem on 08 December 2015

Wow... the unified Nintendo NX. Would love for you to share that info you're privvy to.



naruball on 08 December 2015
zorg1000 said:
potato_hamster said:

A Nintendo game won "best family game"? Get out of town! It was literally between the trio of Infinity, Dimensions, and Skylanders or "cheaply made collectible figures + a new cheaply made game every year to keep you buying the figures" games , Splatoon, and Mario Maker. If Mario Maker didn't win, Splatoon would have. No one else even actually tries to compete in this space. Nintendo won this last year with Mario Kart 8, followed by Tomodachi life, and last year's verison of the same Trio. Nintendo wins this by default.

So they won best shooter this year? They also won best fighting game and best racing/sports game last year. Does anyone actually believe that Nintendo makes the best shooters, fighters, and racing games in the world? I'd seriously doubt that. As for best multiplayer - play Rocket League. That's all I really have to say.

Other nominees for developer of the year: Bethesda, Kojima Productions. Both of which put out a single game that lacked polish. Not quite sure how this is supposed to be a huge honour. Nintendo also won this award last year, beating Blizzard, Monolith, Telltale and Ubsoft Montreal (the guys who made Assassin's Creed: Unity).

This awards show seems like a bit of a joke.


Regardless of anything u said, the poster I replied to was using the Game Awards as proof that Nintendo is irrelevant, winning 3 awards and being nominated for 5 including game of the year and developer of the year proves that he is either wrong or that the Game Awards aren't an accurate way to determine relevancy.

They really aren't. Other award shows like Emmys or Golden Globes, even Oscars aren't either.

Jane the Virgin won a Golden Globe for best actress in a comedy series. It won several other awards, such as a People's choice award that is based on people voting. Yet it's one of the least watched shows on network tv, pulling about a million viewers each week. Veep won an Emmy for comedy of the year and it's ratings have always been bad. I could go on with more examples, but there is no point. Award shows can't determine relevancy.

Also, bookmarking this thread as it'd be worth seeing people's reactions to their old statements. As for my opinion, based on what me know, 2016 will be decent at best for Nintendo and perhaps amazing for the hardcore fans who are ready to praise their favourite company ( or provide excuses for it) no matter what.



Miyamotoo on 08 December 2015
Metroid33slayer said:
Miyamotoo said:

-Launching of new account system and services like My Nintendo.

-Launching of firsts mobile games.

-Expanding the use of their IPs (for instance Nintendo theme park).

-Launch of biggest and probably most anticipated Nintendo game ever, Zelda U.

-Revealing and (and very likely) launch of completely new unified NX platform.

 

2016 will be huge for Nintendo, and probably one of the most important year in company's history, especially after faile with Wii U.

You forgot the very probable release of a brand new 3d mario game, pikmin 4 and pokken tournament.

Well Pikmin 4, Pokken Tournament...are all far leeser things in comparison with things that I mentioned.