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Megaoverlord12 said:
TheObserver said:


I figured everyone who's being honest with themselves knows the difference between current gen games and last gen games.

obviously a game like Last of Us which released on PS3 before PS4 launched and was ported a year later can't be considered a current gen game by any stretch of the imagination.

That's arguable, considering many new gen games, like Metal Gear Solid V, are fully featured and fully playable on last gen hardware.


No, that makes the inclusion of MGSV on the list arguable if anything.

but the fact that Last of Us is last gen game is just that, a fact.



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You're right. Although I believe on The Witcher, of all these games, deserves a 90+ rating.



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Western developers still have a long way to go.



BraLoD said:
AlfredoTurkey said:

I think the industry has changed. During the PS2 era, gamers were more hard core. During the 360 era, gamers became both casual (for a time) and dominated by the dreaded dudebro. I think right now, the demographics have shifted back in favor of the people like us. I mean, you have COD, sure. But look at the games that are getting the most hype. Bloodbourne? Would a game like that have mattered during 2006? Probably not.


The leading system dictates the trend.

The PS1/PS2 were dominant Japanese games eras, mostly mature games, that were dominated by an rather dev friendly japanese company and its systems.

360 lead the 7th gen hardcore gaming by being the dev friendly system and being an North American company it's game style shifted to it, more war, modern thematic games.

Even though the PS3 catched up and the Wii also performed better, the year lead and hardcore US dominance dictated it almost the whole gen.

Now it came back to the PS4, games are going back to being more about mature phantasy, it also remains with the roots from the past gen, but it's showing it's influence.

The same before that as well, Nintendo times being the major system dictated the more soft phantasy thematic that's their focus.

It becomes pretty clear when you look at it this way:

3rd/4th gen: Nintendo influence. Platform domination. Less focus on story and mature themes. Phantasy.

5th/6th gen: Sony influence. Nintendo roots still on 5th gen due transition. RPGs become very relevant. Expansion on genres popularity. Story driven games/ more mature phantasy. Platforms still relevant on 5th gen due Nintendo roots.

7th gen: Microsoft influence. Sony roots still there due to transition/take back. Shooters become huge with American popularity on exploring modern/future war thematics. Genres retracting to focus around this modern influence. Online model expansion and becoming highly relevant, pushed by Live firstly. J RPGs downfall.

8th gen: Sony influence. Microsoft roots still there due to transition. Modern war thematic still relevant because of it. Genres re-expansion. Easily adaptation to mature phantasy comeback. Japanese developers getting way better envyronment to try again.

That's basically the leading/influence company traits being reflected on the envyronment.

Sony influence is expansive as not focused on single/few genres, better for Japanese developers and still attractive for Western too.

Sony model drives success more easily, it's better for the envyronment IMO. All kinds of games going on, better for the big scope.

Jap devs have less power (money) now, so they also could use this better enryronment for them and are doing so.

I think gaming as a whole is better when Sony dominates.Both in quality and sales.The PS1 and PS2 had great Western and Japanese games.Its just that Japan was crap last generation compares to the prevous generations.With MS only Western is good and with Nintendo only Japanese.Sony is the only company with that balance and it is the same for hardcore and casual fanbases.On the PS console games like GOW,GTA,FF,Socom,MGS,RE,Jak and Daxter,Disgaea and Red Faction all performed well in both categories.



gatito said:
Western developers still have a long way to go.


To get where? They clearly dominated last gen.

But a lot of them who delivered those 90+ games seem to have dropped the ball this gen.

a few that come to mind are:

Turn 10- All the Forza games on 360 scored over 90, while 5 and 6 took a nosedive this gen.

Bungie- U think all their Halos scored over 90, but Destiny not so much.

Bethesda- Their TES and Fallout last gen all got that universal acclaim but Fallout 4 didn't get quite the same reaction.

But like I said there are plenty of proven western devs who will be releasing their games next year, mostly from Sony's first party who have the potential to even the score.



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TheObserver said:
Megaoverlord12 said:

That's arguable, considering many new gen games, like Metal Gear Solid V, are fully featured and fully playable on last gen hardware.


No, that makes the inclusion of MGSV on the list arguable if anything.

but the fact that Last of Us is last gen game is just that, a fact.

MGSV is a last generation game and there is no difference
other than the lighting and resolution.



gatito said:
Western developers still have a long way to go.


I wouldn't say that seeing as how Bloodborne is the best Japanese game released since the PS2 IMO.Not saying that there was no single good Japanese game,but none of them were masterpeices like FF7,Ocarina of Time,MGS3,Ico or Okami.Even games like Metroid Prime,Wind Waker,Dark Cloud 2 and Persona 3 were much better than any Japanese game last generation with maybe the exception of Demon's Souls,but BB far smashes DS.The impact of any Japanese game last generaton did not compare to any Western game and this makes BB look even better since it can actually compare to some of the greatest games ever made.I am not a fan of COD,but it did get better while games like FF and RE got worse and MGSV is not a great game no matter the review.MGS3 will forever be the best MGS.Games like Bioshock,Uncharted 2,Skyrim and Mass Effect 2 were far above any Japanese game with The Last of Us being one of the greatest games in history.No Japanese game came close until BB.



TheRuber said:
TheObserver said:
Megaoverlord12 said:

That's arguable, considering many new gen games, like Metal Gear Solid V, are fully featured and fully playable on last gen hardware.


No, that makes the inclusion of MGSV on the list arguable if anything.

but the fact that Last of Us is last gen game is just that, a fact.

MGSV is a last generation game and there is no difference
other than the lighting and resolution.


And dynamic weather effects, and more players in online.

but the reason I listed it is the fact that it released 2 years into this generation and PS4 was its main platform and the vast majority played it on cure gen consoles. Like I said earlier anyone who's being honest with themselves will know the difference.



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Gotta figure out how to set these up lol.

Interesting list. Definitely feel that the "series" those titles were from helped them bump up the scores a few points because I'd say there are plenty of 80s this gen that are just as good.