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ph4nt said:
@kazadoom ah the mystery of life.

If we knew the answer to that question we wouldn't need religion.

But anyway, i think just being a good person gets you into heaven, not believing in a certain someone, not going to church or praying or any of tha. Just be a good hearted person.

Who determines the standard by which someone is judged by to tell them if they are good or not, or good enough or not. How can someone even know this?  What does being a good person even mean and how does someone know when they have reached that point? 



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I think it depends of your definition of what heaven is ... and what your religion is ...



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Okay seriously...

Err... nope that's as serious as I'm getting today. 10 down, 40 to go.



 

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Zero Hero said:
I'm in heaven every time my wife is on top of me.

 

What a coincidence, her mind is usually else where as well.

 

Anyways, I'm in the no heaven camp.



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Neos wins the thread with the first logical answer :D



kazadoom said:
totalwar23 said:
kazadoom said:
If all we do is die and that is it, then why were we born with a conscience? Why is there something in us that gives us the ability to determine right from wrong? How does something like that just appear? Don't bother with saying it was just taught to us, because if that is the case, then who taught those who taught us, and so on. The ability to know right and wrong sets us apart from all other beings, so why do we have it?

Except for the fact that right and wrong differs from group to group and is determined by the majority of that group. But if you're asking questions, I might as wel, too. The human race, homo sapiens is how old? I don't know, maybe about of couple of ten of thousands of year and that's not including the other homo species that came an went before us. The earth is 4.5 billion years old. How come it took so damn long for us to emerge?

I agree that there are different rights and wrongs for people, but there are an inherent number of those right and wrongs that are found in everyone. Lying, Stealing, Murder, Hate, Adultery. We are born with these things. Do you have kids? Well, no one had to teach my daughter to lie, and for that matter to run and hide when she did because she knew it was wrong without even having to tell her. It is born in us.

You're looking at those standards today. Not to mention I can't count how many times people lie and say "that's all right, it's just  a white lie, it doesn't hurt anyone." You can also find cases of people stealing, killing, (hate? we all do it), and cheating without any sign of guilt. Just look in prisons across the world. But you're aiming for the majority, right? Well, lets go way back when slavery wasn't a sin. They were just considered property. They could be killed, raped, or beaten by their owners and no one would care. Or death duels, where no crimes were committed even if someone died. Or Viking raiders that loot and kill and they would just sail away celebrating their success. Where were their conscience? They were all born with those inherent things. They couldn't tell it was wrong for them to do it?



Tavin said:
I think it depends of your definition of what heaven is ... and what your religion is ...

Does this not seem illogical to you?  I mean is truth really determined by what someone believes.  So did the people in the Gateway cult go to the spaceship because that was what they believed?  What if I believed that heaven was the moon andI got there by shooting myself in the face?  That makes it true just for me?  This seems very illogical.



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kenzomatic said:

Jesus said to him, "I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me." John 14:6

You keep making these threads that are essentially asking are you a christian. So why don't you just ask that or better "what religion are you?"

Edit: Actually I think there has already been one I wil find and revive it. 

Some believe you can be saved through good works
Some believe you have to repent
Some believe if you haven't repented everything before you die you go to hell
Some believe all you have to do is genuinely believe in christ
Some believe you have to be baptized
Some believe Gods people (Jews) will be saved at the second coming
And Obviously some beleive a combination of these things.

There's many more but thats all of the top of my head, Obviously this is from a christian stand point.

I personly agree with luinil.


Since you are asking my opinion. I believe the way to get to Heaven is to be at true peace with yourself. What I mean by that is that si not a blind happiness but a willingness to understand and accept the world for what it is and not require extraneous things to be happy. This means that if you had no TV, no lights, no motor car, not a single luxury you would still feel content and full. It also means that you feel no guilt. Hence the practices the of baptism(which I am not baptized and never will be) and repenting. The practice of baptizing is meant to clean your soul and IMO largely symbolic. The practice of repenting is meant to bring closure to what you have done and good works can give you the feeling that you have done something good with your life. However if you only do this with an intent to get a top floor penthouse in Heaven you are not truly content. This also doesn't mean you can't enjoy the luxuries of today or enjooy games it just means that it shouldn't be the top priority of your life.Essentially this boils down to appreciating the gift of life.

 



kazadoom said:
ph4nt said:
@kazadoom ah the mystery of life.

If we knew the answer to that question we wouldn't need religion.

But anyway, i think just being a good person gets you into heaven, not believing in a certain someone, not going to church or praying or any of tha. Just be a good hearted person.

Who determines the standard by which someone is judged by to tell them if they are good or not, or good enough or not. How can someone even know this?  What does being a good person even mean and how does someone know when they have reached that point? 


 Why are you asking these questions to people on a games forum? Look up the answers on the internet, do some research. Read some books, I know 'The God Delusion' by Richard Dawkins answers those specific questions, why don't you read that?