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Final-Fan on 24 March 2008

@ CrashMan:  Nice, and I'll be on the same side as you for almost all of these threads, but the God vs. space squid situations are not equivalent.

Also, it's "onus".



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Andir on 24 March 2008
Tavin said:
he made lots of magic tricks and they still didn't believe in him.

There... fixed it for you.

Now as far as the debate.  It is stupid.  None of us can prove any of our stories.  So why then must people continue to try to push their ideas on each other?  You want to feel included, and that you are right.  We are all arrogant sons of bitches and in doing so we are all committing sins under religion's own teachings.  Arrogance is a sin.  Look it up.  We are all going to hell.  End of story.

You think the Buddhist monks high up in the hills minding their own business realize this while we tear each other down?  I think the Bible did give them something.  It gave them the truth of humanity.  We are all egotistical, arrogant, and dominating.  We push our ideas on others as if they are right, and everything else is wrong.  We want to make sure that we believe what we are saying and we seek out the current form of media to try to prove it.  Scrolls, printed text, the Internet....  Why?  That's what works.  Natural selection defined that.  Only those adapted to manipulate others have come to power.  Power begets power and people seek it out to prove that they are right in their own mind.  Religions use the Bible, printed history, and interpretation.  Others use science, reasoning, and theory.

Simply arguing that we are right makes all of us arrogant.  We have no sound proof, no verifiable sources (but the tainted words minced by men over thousands of years to read in the way in which they wanted in both science and the Bible) and no way to resolve this.  So what do you do?

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Andir on 24 March 2008
kenzomatic said:
 

What your saying makes no sense and the bible says to obey the laws of the government.

And as for the question can god make a rock so big he can't move it.
Well thats like mickey mouse asking if Walt Disney could make a rock so big he could not move it.

Also wikipedia has tons of accurate information, just check the sources and you'll be fine.

I'm sure the Bible does say to obey the government... it was translated by those in power.

I'm also sure that Wikipedia says that it can be a trusted source for information but not everything in there can be.  People through time remember things the way they want to remember them... 

Do you see what I'm getting at?

 



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ctk495 on 24 March 2008

@kazadoom
I think to get to heaven you have to be a good person and respect the others.



Andir on 24 March 2008
ctk495 said:
@kazadoom
I think to get to heaven you have to be a good person and respect the others.

 Which others?  Those that agree with you, those that disagree, or both?  Those that would mean you harm?



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ikilledkenny on 24 March 2008

To go to heaven, you must be a kind and generous person, and strive to do good.


RDBRaptor on 24 March 2008

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kenzomatic on 24 March 2008
Andir said:
kenzomatic said:
 

What your saying makes no sense and the bible says to obey the laws of the government.

And as for the question can god make a rock so big he can't move it.
Well thats like mickey mouse asking if Walt Disney could make a rock so big he could not move it.

Also wikipedia has tons of accurate information, just check the sources and you'll be fine.

I'm sure the Bible does say to obey the government... it was translated by those in power.

I'm also sure that Wikipedia says that it can be a trusted source for information but not everything in there can be.  People through time remember things the way they want to remember them... 

Do you see what I'm getting at?

 


I think you misread what I said.

Yes I see what you are getting at.



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totalwar23 on 24 March 2008
ikilledkenny said:
To go to heaven, you must be a kind and generous person, and strive to do good.


Not according to kazadoom, you have to believe in Christianity, otherwise it's not enough.

 This really has me thinking. What about the status of the Meso Americans, Native Americans, Africans, Asians, and all of the people who did not get the message about Jesus and God throughout history. The word of God didn't reach them so they went through life not believing in Christianity. So, what, they all went to hell for not believing in something they didn't know in the first place?



Final-Fan on 24 March 2008
Andir said:
kenzomatic said:
 
What your saying makes no sense and the bible says to obey the laws of the government.

And as for the question can god make a rock so big he can't move it.
Well thats like mickey mouse asking if Walt Disney could make a rock so big he could not move it.

Also wikipedia has tons of accurate information, just check the sources and you'll be fine.
I'm sure the Bible does say to obey the government... it was translated by those in power.

I'm also sure that Wikipedia says that it can be a trusted source for information but not everything in there can be. People through time remember things the way they want to remember them...

Do you see what I'm getting at?
Actually, I'm pretty sure that the Bible said to obey the government right from the start, because the Romans didn't have the First Amendment and they would not hesitate to fuck you up if you didn't obey them, and no organization within the Roman Empire would want to be seen as a potential threat.

And I think even Wikipedia says to check its sources instead of just trusting it, which makes the whole thing hilarious.  It's a wonderful source of general information but if you want guaranteed information even Wikipedia says not to use Wikipedia. 

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