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shakarak said:


You just quoted how the patches make the game worse and certain quests unplayable which I personally did not experience.  But even in that snippet you quoted, the gameplay improvements are numerous and Eurogamer just have issues with the FPS and performance.  Your also picking one patch they degraded performance out of the numerous that they have launched (I think they are on 1.11) now.  As someone who just finally beat the expansion on death march last night and played through the majority of the patches, even without the gameplay improvements Projekt Red have fixed unprecedented amounts of bugs too and my experience was nearly flawless through the end of the game.  


Again, just because it didn't happen to you doesn't mean it didn't happen. It was there; the problem was persistent. It took them so many patches until they started getting it under control. I bet someone can beat Bethesda games without experiencing any kind of problem. The problems are still there, the dude just got lucky.

FPS and performance are the main problem here. I don't care about the gameplay improvements added through the patches, just like no one cares about Fallout 4 gameplay when talking about its performance. No matter how you want to look at it, The Witcher 3 had some petty performance issues back when it released. It didn't matter, because the game is amazing. It was even in its vanilla state.

You get where I'm going with this? You get the point I'm trying to make across here?



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Indeed! Bethesda sucks ass and with every bug infested game they release they get 10s out a 10s GOTYs and awards as if bugs and glitches are the new are the best part about their game.




John2290 said:
Abun said:

I expected all these flaws and knew fans would blindly support this game regardless.Funny how the same defenders criticise other broken games or criticise other games because of their length,having QTE or being linear even though they are well designed.The media does is too.


Exactly, why is this the case though? Is it just that we have never had an actual fully finished and polished Bethesda rpg right out the gate or what? I'm bamboozled just thinking that I never even got mad at having to buy skyrim twice because I couldn't play it on ps3 at 10 frames a second. I only raise the issue now because devs have done better and I expect better, sad state of affairs it may be I  worried this may bleed into other games series.

Gaming fans are amongst the most stubborn.They will continue to buy a game no matter how crappy it is.



Its Bethesda so games can be broken thats what they do. I play elder scrolls and fallout for the glitches and gameplay.



Ka-pi96 said:
John2290 said:
Ka-pi96 said:
IMO gameplay>graphics and Bethesda are pretty damn good at getting the gameplay right...

Is this an excuse? What if all the other companies started saying that. They release  a Cod or fifa and it is a buggy mess with framed drop's and hard crashes but it alright because they have great gameplay? Fuck being able to play the game because under all the mess there is a great game in there. They get away with it because we say nothing, Ubosoft learned the hard way and they are at least trying now. 

It's not an excuse. I really couldn't give a fuck even if they released a game with PS1 level graphics. If the gameplay is there that's all that matters.

Now if there's actually game breaking bugs then that's a different matter. But I've never encountered any real bugs when playing a Bethesda game and since Fallout 4 hasn't even released yet it's way too early to assume that has game breaking bugs, especially considering the review scores. So all you've got left is low framerate? Well if you can't enjoy a great game solely because the framerate isn't as high as you'd like it then maybe you should just watch a movie instead. Then you'll get the framerate you want and won't have to worry about any of that pesky gameplay getting in the way...

Glad you got lucky and didn't encouter hard crashes. They are abundant in FO3 and Skyrim. I couldn't care less about the sub par graphics. 

Here is my experience from an another thread:

Skyrim PC scored 95 on meta despite its technical issue. Good for me? nope.

Buy the game years later, patched and everything, no mods installed. Play, lose hours of progress 3 times. Get blamed for not installing the unoffical Skyrim patch. Google the shit out of that one, find out it's poorly tested and introduces new bugs just as it fixes known ones. Yay I guess?

When you give a game 95 you set very high expectations for the readers. Just saying stuff like "I enjoyed the game despite the glitches" doesn't cut it. There are framedrops and there are game breaking glitches. I couldn't care less about the frame-rate but glitches and complete freezes that require a restart need to be minimized as much as possible by the developer, and I am sure as hell Bethesda didn't do their best knowing Skyrim sold millions and prinited them money, yet, they left the rest of the bugs to the PC community to fix. It's not like Bethesda is a start up developer with limited cash that can't fund post-release patches..



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Bethesda are a highly overrated company. I enjoyed Skyrim and put many hours into it. But it was also a very overrated game. I really was not that into nor compelled by the game's main story or characters, and found myself not wanting to side with either side in the civil war, etc. I eventually did just to get that part of the story over with. But for the most part I just enjoyed exploring and messing around in the game world. And it was very anti-climatic that things like becoming Arch-Mage, for example, don't actually seem to hold more weight in the game world, as in no one gives two fucks, outside of the people at the Mage College. I think that kind of accurately described most of the story elements in the game, at least for me: very interesting set-up, but often an anti-climatic let-down after it was all over, and that includes how easy actually beating the great big world eating dragon was at the end.

The gameplay is fun, and I enjoyed it much more than I did trying to go back and play Oblivion, etc. But the game is also SUPER buggy, many of which they never bothered to patch or fix. And in general, I feel like even though they're very good at giving you good set-up, an interesting game world to play around in, etc., they're not terribly great at leaving you with that ultimate sense of fulfillment after you accomplish things, or certainly when you "beat the game". The DLC expansions were neat, and added some interesting things, but I ultimately felt like they should have focused a bit more on giving the player a few more in-world, in-story options, such as being able to actively decide not to side with either the Nords or the Imperials, and basically just say "fuck it" and become High King yourself. That would have been more satisfying. That is another thing, at least to me, was that after I had completed a vast majority of the main story, the civil war story, gone through just about all the of dungeons and done most of the missions, etc., I felt very little desire to start a new character and play through again. The idea of starting a whole new character was very appealing. But the idea of going back through most of that same story and same dungeons again, was not.



If they ever come out with Elder Scrolls VI, IF it's at least as good as Skyrim, I'd most likely want to play it. But I would hope that they would at least get better at polishing out the game bugs, and hopefully spend a bit more time giving the player even MORE options as far as story choices and ability to do things goes. The game world they made in Skyrim is great, it just needs to feel like certain things you as a character do actually matter more. And if they're going to focus so much on it being a big wide open sandbox experience....I suppose my suggestion would be, I'd like to see them just push that part of the exprience way more. Just go full bore and make it even MORE of a "just do whatever the hell you want" type of game. The game story should matter, and be interesting, of course. I'm just saying they should give the play even MORE of a robust array of options and choices as to how they actually want to have all that play out.


I've never personally played any of the Fallout series, but almost every fan I've talked to has always said that they liked the original two games, and that New Vegas (made by the original developers, not Bethesda), was a much better game than three.



The denial in this thread is over 9000!
Lets all dance in happiness and all games release like Unity!



I like the reviews for this game, "hey its a buggy mess but it gets a 9 cause hughe world".



John2290 said:
LurkerJ said:
We already have topics discussing the same matter. Please check the front page. Reported for duplication.

It is a completely different topic. I searched and could not find a topic discussing the teams lack of skills in 2015. Could you link me to one, that's recent?

Nvm. Your thread took off. I agree with you btw but I felt like I've discussed the issue under multiple threads today



I'm just going to fly around a beautiful world in my Skell, while Bethesda get their shit together or burned out and kicked out of the industry for being cocky bastards that ship technical messes...