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Where's the epic Nintendo?

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midrange said:
My biggest issue with Nintendo games currently, is that they seem to have lost the ambition to make an amazing game. This may be them maximizing profits from the wii u, but it still hurts their fan base.

Every game coming out/released by Nintendo either
1) comes out playing it safe (mario kart, NSMBU, mario 3d world)
2) is low on content (pikmin and to a lesser extent, splatoon)
3) has potential that never gets fully drawn out (mario maker, Nintendoland)
4) looks to be outshined by competitors (Xenoblade X vs fallout 4/ the witcher 3, Zelda U vs Horizon)
5) sacrifices graphics/story/gameplay/exploration for forced "uniqueness" or gimmicks (starfox, Mario party 10)

The 3ds isn't so bad but the wii u has been pretty bad. Smash bros U is the only Nintendo wii u game that I can say, without a doubt, matches the quality of previous smash games (or any Nintendo classic). If it meant that they needed help from the SoulCal team, then good job Sakurai for organizing that.

I want Nintendo to go back to making the best games (mario 64, ocarina of time, mario galaxy, metroid prime), or to shake up the competitve gaming scene (smash melee), or to set the precedent to how games are made (super mario bros, mario 64, pokemon)

Wii U has plenty of amazing games.

1) Splatoon, Xenoblade X, W101, Bayonetty 2...are telling that you are wrong. I don't understand what you exactly expected from new Mario Kart because this probably best Mario Kart ever. Mario 3D World is completely great new 3D Mario game, I agree for NSMB (that game relly needs break). 

2) Splatoon was only initially low on content because Nintendo decided to promote that game with periodic released content, we know that lot a content was locked on disk. Pikmin 3 maybe could have one or two more levels but we have great Mission Mod that adds lot a content to game.

3) Don't understand, both are great games.

4) I really can't see how you can compare Xenoblade with Fallout 4/Witcher 3 or Zelda U with Horizon!?

5) Agree, but that doesn't mean that is always bad thing, Star Fox Zero could be even better game because of gamepad.

 

"Smash bros U is the only Nintendo wii u game that I can say, without a doubt, matches the quality of previous smash games (or any Nintendo classic)"

NSMBU best NSMB game, Pikmin 3 best Pikmin game, DKTF best Donkey Kong game, Mario Kart 8 best Mario Kart game, Smash Bros best Smash Bros game, Yoshi Wolly World best Yoshi game after first Yoshi game, Zelda U looks like will be one of the best Zelda games ever.

Nintendo is still making phenomenal game, and this gen they made some of the best games in whole franchises prove that, but you cant expect that anyone (not just Nintendo) make revolutional games like they were in 6. and 5. (espacily 5.) generation beacuse those were first 3D games that opend whole new world to gaming, and games from those generation are consider for some of the best and more important games ever (Mario 64 and Zelda OOT). So today is really hard to make games like that, but again Nintendo still making some completely, new, fresh and great games, last example is Splatoon.

Nintendo this gen had lots a problems, terrible launch and sales of Wii U, bad launch for 3DS, first HD generation, worst Nintendo generation in sales...but Nintendo again manage to make phenomenal games despite all those problems.



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MegaDrive08 said:

When did gaming turn into such a whinefest??

Somewhere around around the 1995 when the Internet got big.



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cycycychris said:

I've said this in the past and I guess I'll state it hear also, Nintendo has lost so much ambition this generation. They rarely even try a new IP, and when they do, its a low budget, low risk game. Where is our big budget realistic games that SOny or Microsoft are not afraid to invest in. Clearly they are making bank from them if they keeping funding them. Nintendo see a smaller budget existing IP they could invest in and take that instead. But I've gotten so tired of them playing it safe with every game we see. And I see this getting even worse when the NX comes out. With development cost going even higher, they are going to keep this trend. Ever wonder why Metriod is not coming to Wii U. I bet you Nintendo looked at the cost of making a top of the line graphics Metriod game that would be expected by there fans, and said to stick Metriod name onto that chibi game Next Level is making(ok maybe not the last part).

They made many great games this generation. but they are all low to average budget games that don't push the system or really what they could do.

They certainly did not lost ambition this generation, but you cant expect that they have big ambitions when this gen they will have their worst generation ever and right after best generation ever.

What about new IP-s and risks Nintendo taked this gen!? Playing safe with every game we see!? What about Lego City Undercover, Wonderful 101, Bayonetta 2, Hyrule Warriors or Splatoon!?

I dont understand why Nintendo needs to have big budget realistic games like Sony or Microsoft!? Splatoon is not big budget realistic game like Sony or Microsoft have but again its totaly fresh and new great IP. And Nintendo already said they have new projects and ideas that are made similar like Splatoon.

Yes they mad many great games this gen, but almost non of this game was low budget. I for low budget game consider only Mario Party, Kirby, Mario Tennis, Amiibo Festival, Toads Treasure Tracker...game like Pikmin 3, Mario 3D World, DKTF, Mario Kart 8, Smash Bros, Bayonetta 2, Splatoon, Yoshi Woolly World, Zelda U are not low budget games.



ps3-sales! said:
Honestly, they're doing the same thing they've always been doing. I think Nintendo is vastly overrated; most notably in these forums.

They make good games. But long past are the days when they make the best games and the most innovative ones. I think people's expectations of Nintendo are way too much.

Not true, they are still making some of the best and most innovative games.



S.Peelman said:
I know. I don't know where they are. It seems like they go for the less ambitious route most of the time this gen. Early 3DS still had it though. On WiiU, of what's released, it seems of the big franchises only Mario Kart 8 exceeds it's predecessors in scale and grandeur.

NSMBU best NSMB game, Pikmin 3 best Pikmin game, DKTF best Donkey Kong game, Mario Kart 8 best Mario Kart game, Smash Bros best Smash Bros game, Yoshi Wolly World best Yoshi game after first Yoshi game, Zelda U looks like will be one of the best Zelda games ever.



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Given Nintendo developed/published stuff like Mario Kart 8, Smash Bros and Bayonetta 2 last year, and given Wii U is an enormous commercial failure, we're not going to see the absolute biggest Nintendo titles announced for Wii U. After Xenoblade X and the eventual release of Zelda U, that's it. Star Fox: Zero may yet be surprising in terms of quality/scope of content post-delay.

That being said, I do think Nintendo have released absolute top-drawer games for Wii U and 3DS. Franchise bests in Smash Bros and Mario Kart, which are two of Nintendo biggest games, commercially and in terms of their production values. The best and most successful Fire Emblem game. And Pavolink, you can't discount games just because 'some fans of the series don't like it'. Some fans of Mario don't like the Galaxy games. Some fans of Zelda don't like Ocarina, or Wind Waker, and so on.

Add to that top-drawer 3DS titles like Luigi's Mansion 2, Kid Icarus: Uprising, Super Mario 3D Land, A Link Between Worlds, Pokemon X/Y and Mario Kart 7. On handheld at least, Nintendo have provided a string of ambitious, top-quality, epic blockbusters. Fire Emblem: Fates is still to come. On Wii U there's more of an argument to be made, but in return I'd argue that Tropical Freeze is the best DKC game, with wonderful production values, and that Mario Bros U is the best 2D Mario since the 90s. I'd put Pikmin 3 and Wonderful 101 up there, too, as top-quality titles.

As I said, the argument can be made that Wii U is lacking in terms of wildly epic titles, but is that surprising? First, Nintendo underestimated how many resources were needed for HD development. Secondly, they needed to push more resources behind 3DS after the post-launch drop-off, further straining resources for Wii U. And, most obviously, Wii U has been consistently underwhelming commercially. Look how quickly Sony dropped big-budget Vita development, yet Nintendo stuck with Wii U and continue to develop and release a handful of time & resource consuming, expensive, top-quality titles.

Finally, I'd make a few more inter-related points. The first is that the nature of games themselves are changing, and two of Nintendo's best titles this year--Splatoon and Mario Maker--demonstrate this. Some videogames will become more like a service, in that you buy a base experience which is then built on over time. When the basic experience is as absolute top-quality as those two titles, and when those two titles then receive free upgrades, I don't see the problem. Secondly, after the N64 period, when Nintendo in some regards where at the pinnacle of technology in the industry, the gaming industry has expanded and diversified massively. Nintendo and their software output are (proportionally) a far smaller part of the industry than they were 20 years ago. There also aren't as many boundaries to be set as there were during that incredible transition from 2D to 3D. That doesn't mean Nintendo don't produce industry-leading or top-quality titles, just that there are more ways to produce industry-leading, epic games, and there are more high-quality products launching than there were 20 years ago. Similarly from a purely technical stand-point (if that's what you mean by epic), current Nintendo home console hardware cannot compete in that arms race.

Personally I don't think you can make the case Nintendo have lost their ambition, or that they don't/won't produce ambitious or epic software any more. Splatoon and Mario Maker might not be ambitious from a technical standpoint, but Splatoon is a new IP and Nintendo's first take on an online-centric game, and Mario Maker is Nintendo's first stab at a content-creation game. Both first steps have been critical and commercial hits. 3DS, as I've argued, has a string of top-quality, ambitious Nintendo titles. Even Wii U--a system that has been a perpetual struggle for Nintendo--has had (and will have a couple more) top-quality, production-heavy Nintendo titles. Wii U pushed Nintendo to the limit before launch and during its initial struggles on the market, and when resources are strained and commercial prospects low, you won't see many 'epic' titles.

I think Wii U's library, given the challenges, is excellent. I think 3DS has absolutely top-drawer games from Nintendo. Would I love to see technically demanding experiences on NX, like F Zero and Metroid? Absolutely. But I understand their absence on Wii U. There's never been a Nintendo system like Wii U, commercially or creatively, and that brings both good and bad things to the table.



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midrange said:
My biggest issue with Nintendo games currently, is that they seem to have lost the ambition to make an amazing game. This may be them maximizing profits from the wii u, but it still hurts their fan base.

Every game coming out/released by Nintendo either
1) comes out playing it safe (mario kart, NSMBU, mario 3d world)
2) is low on content (pikmin and to a lesser extent, splatoon)
3) has potential that never gets fully drawn out (mario maker, Nintendoland)
4) looks to be outshined by competitors (Xenoblade X vs fallout 4/ the witcher 3, Zelda U vs Horizon)
5) sacrifices graphics/story/gameplay/exploration for forced "uniqueness" or gimmicks (starfox, Mario party 10)

The 3ds isn't so bad but the wii u has been pretty bad. Smash bros U is the only Nintendo wii u game that I can say, without a doubt, matches the quality of previous smash games (or any Nintendo classic). If it meant that they needed help from the SoulCal team, then good job Sakurai for organizing that.

I want Nintendo to go back to making the best games (mario 64, ocarina of time, mario galaxy, metroid prime), or to shake up the competitve gaming scene (smash melee), or to set the precedent to how games are made (super mario bros, mario 64, pokemon)

Wii U has plenty of amazing games.

1) Splatoon, Xenoblade X, W101, Bayonetty 2...are telling that you are wrong. I don't understand what you exactly expected from new Mario Kart because this probably best Mario Kart ever. Mario 3D World is completely great new 3D Mario game, I agree for NSMB (that game relly needs break). 

2) Splatoon was only initially low on content because Nintendo decided to promote that game with periodic released content, we know that lot a content was locked on disk. Pikmin 3 maybe could have one or two more levels but we have great Mission Mod that adds lot a content to game.

3) Don't understand, both are great games.

4) I really can't see how you can compare Xenoblade with Fallout 4/Witcher 3 or Zelda U with Horizon!?

5) Agree, but that doesn't mean that is always bad thing, Star Fox Zero could be even better game because of gamepad.

 

"Smash bros U is the only Nintendo wii u game that I can say, without a doubt, matches the quality of previous smash games (or any Nintendo classic)"

NSMBU best NSMB game, Pikmin 3 best Pikmin game, DKTF best Donkey Kong game, Mario Kart 8 best Mario Kart game, Smash Bros best Smash Bros game, Yoshi Wolly World best Yoshi game after first Yoshi game, Zelda U looks like will be one of the best Zelda games ever.

Nintendo is still making phenomenal game, and this gen they made some of the best games in whole franchises prove that, but you cant expect that anyone (not just Nintendo) make revolutional games like they were in 6. and 5. (espacily 5.) generation beacuse those were first 3D games that opend whole new world to gaming, and games from those generation are consider for some of the best and more important games ever (Mario 64 and Zelda OOT). So today is really hard to make games like that, but again Nintendo still making some completely, new, fresh and great games, last example is Splatoon.

Nintendo this gen had lots a problems, terrible launch and sales of Wii U, bad launch for 3DS, first HD generation, worst Nintendo generation in sales...but Nintendo again manage to make phenomenal games despite all those problems.

1) Bayonetta 2 and wonderful 101 are not made by Nintendo. Xenoblade is not out, and given its reception in Japan, it is not the same hit that xenoblade once was. Splatoon is a game that falls under the potential not fully drawn out.

As for Mario kart 8. Balancing was done well and anti gravity was interesting, but it doesn't make up for the fact that Mario kart 8 has a horrendous local multiplayer. Likewise, Anti-gravity was not as game changing as double dash was (double riders were also excluded due to hardware limitations). As it stands, double dash is still king, and although Mario kart 8 isn't bad, it plays it safe without taking huge risks to really improve the franchise.

2) low content does not mean that a game is bad. Pikmin 3 still stands as one of my favorite wii u games, but I was still able to beat it in a few hours. I agree with reviewers in that it definitely could have used more levels. Splatoon has gotten better (online custom matches), but it still has a horrendous local coop, and a voice chat option was still never added.

3) Mario maker is finally the game to make the best use of the gamepad. Unfortunately it is still a bit limited on the level design creation. Hopefully they add more in future DLC. Nintendo land is solid, but it could defintely have used an online mode, and more minigames.

4) Xenoblade X is an open world RPG just like Fallout 4 and witcher 3. Zelda U is an open world action adventure, like horizon. Don't get me wrong, I'm looking forward to both games, but seeing what the competition is offering, Xenoblade and Zelda aren't wowing me like I'd hope.

 

I'll repeat, smash bros is the only one to perform as well as it's predecessors. The soundtrack has pretty much a $60 value. The roster is a whopping 50 characters with few clones. Online is a bit laggy, but definitely playable and satisfactory. Story mode is gone (sadly) but they put in tons of single player content to make up for it. And the best part, they listened to the competitive and casual community, striking a near-perfect balance of pace and balance. Aside from overpriced dlc, Smash has very few problems.

Mario kart lacks the great local multiplayer of it's past entries. Pikmin 3 is a significantly short game. Xenoblade X is apparently not the same hit as the original. Starfox is an atrocity. Mario 3d world (assuming we consider it a true 3d mario, which I don't think it is) removes exploration from the past entries.

I'm fully confident Nintendo has the ability to do better. But it seems like they aren't taking risks and want to just quickly throw out games for the wii u. I'm still waiting for games on par with galaxy, skyward sword, metroid prime, smash melee, double dash, Xenoblade Chronicles, kid icarus uprising, pokemon



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midrange said:

1) Bayonetta 2 and wonderful 101 are not made by Nintendo. Xenoblade is not out, and given its reception in Japan, it is not the same hit that xenoblade once was. Splatoon is a game that falls under the potential not fully drawn out.

As for Mario kart 8. Balancing was done well and anti gravity was interesting, but it doesn't make up for the fact that Mario kart 8 has a horrendous local multiplayer. Likewise, Anti-gravity was not as game changing as double dash was (double riders were also excluded due to hardware limitations). As it stands, double dash is still king, and although Mario kart 8 isn't bad, it plays it safe without taking huge risks to really improve the franchise.

2) low content does not mean that a game is bad. Pikmin 3 still stands as one of my favorite wii u games, but I was still able to beat it in a few hours. I agree with reviewers in that it definitely could have used more levels. Splatoon has gotten better (online custom matches), but it still has a horrendous local coop, and a voice chat option was still never added.

3) Mario maker is finally the game to make the best use of the gamepad. Unfortunately it is still a bit limited on the level design creation. Hopefully they add more in future DLC. Nintendo land is solid, but it could defintely have used an online mode, and more minigames.

4) Xenoblade X is an open world RPG just like Fallout 4 and witcher 3. Zelda U is an open world action adventure, like horizon. Don't get me wrong, I'm looking forward to both games, but seeing what the competition is offering, Xenoblade and Zelda aren't wowing me like I'd hope.

 

I'll repeat, smash bros is the only one to perform as well as it's predecessors. The soundtrack has pretty much a $60 value. The roster is a whopping 50 characters with few clones. Online is a bit laggy, but definitely playable and satisfactory. Story mode is gone (sadly) but they put in tons of single player content to make up for it. And the best part, they listened to the competitive and casual community, striking a near-perfect balance of pace and balance. Aside from overpriced dlc, Smash has very few problems.

Mario kart lacks the great local multiplayer of it's past entries. Pikmin 3 is a significantly short game. Xenoblade X is apparently not the same hit as the original. Starfox is an atrocity. Mario 3d world (assuming we consider it a true 3d mario, which I don't think it is) removes exploration from the past entries.

I'm fully confident Nintendo has the ability to do better. But it seems like they aren't taking risks and want to just quickly throw out games for the wii u. I'm still waiting for games on par with galaxy, skyward sword, metroid prime, smash melee, double dash, Xenoblade Chronicles, kid icarus uprising, pokemon

Sorry mate but that's all down to you because this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dRpLzhGUUTw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xsaO1m1-_W4  (Warning possible spoilers)

Screams ambition, the original Xenoblade was also not received well in Japan that had no bearing on how the rest of the world liked it, W101 is a Nintendo IP and B2 wouldn't exist with out Nintendo so who develops them is a non issue tbh. MK8 has a great online to make up for local mp and it's even more bizzare you declare the worst MK game (DD) as king, I also find it odd you distance Nintendo from W101 and B2 yet associate them with Star Fox despite all games being developed by PG, Galaxy and Galaxy 2 removed exploration so why do you knock 3DW over this and yes it's a proper 3D Mario the's nothing that states other wise.