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Where's the epic Nintendo?

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MikeRox on 07 November 2015
tbone51 said:
MikeRox said:


But none of them are "epic".


In your opinion. Seriously though, i dont get your post at all. What the hell is "Epic" to you >_<


It's the OP you should be asking really. I get what they mean.

Nintendo games were boundary pushing once upon a time. They're not anymore. They're generally very good releases fitting into pre-set templates of what needs to be in the game.

The NES classics were pretty much peerless. The SNES took these and expanded them massively. The N64 went 3D and again, in turn was offering things nobody had experienced before.

I get that we're at diminishing returns in what additional power now offers. But take Mario Kart for example, Mario Kart 64 was vastly different to Super Mario Kart, Mario Kart Double Dash then took it in the "party game" direction. However, since Mario Kart DS, it's like the franchise is now in a cookie cutter check list of what has to be present.

Maybe a big part of it is more that they are continuing to release sequels to their core franchises, even though there's not really much further they can go beyond shinier graphics?

Epic is me having my jaw on the floor having my mind blown by what is going on thinking "OMG this is incredible!". Granted that happens a lot less in gaming now than it used to. But Nintendo used to be notable for continually putting out such experiences. It's something that their last couple of consoles have all now failed to do. Is it a power thing? Maybe, but I'm not convinced. They are putting out high quality games. But they're not "epic" :p

First time on Hyrule field... THAT WAS EPIC!



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Miyamotoo on 07 November 2015
t3mporary_126 said:
Miyamotoo said:

Mario 3D World certainly isn't ambitious or "Epic" like Mario Galaxy but its still great 3D Mario game and of the best games this gen.

Splatoon is very ambitious title despite lacs some online options, it's completely fresh and great new big IP for Nintendo and I can see that will outsell Smash Bros on NX. I really don't see why every Nintendo game needs to have 4 player local multiplayer, especially when game is totally online focused in comparison with Mario Kart or Smash Bros.


And so we go back to the original discussion of this thread and that is Nintendo has decreased their output in epic scale games in the Wii U compared to every home console before it. Which is fine because we can all agree 3D World and Splatoon are fun and addicitve to play. However, for consumers who expected Nintendo to continue making epic scale games, this generation isn't as fullfilling as previous generations.

Well depends, we can say that Mario Galaxy is "Epic" game, but for previous Mario game (Mario Sunshine) we cant say that is "Epic". Also we have or will have Epic games for Wii U, Mario Kart 8 is Epic and certainly more Epic than Mario Kart Wii, Xenoblade X too, Zelda U will certainly be Epic game, for me Splatoon is also pretty Epic. So we cant say "Nintendo has decreased their output in epic scale games in the Wii U" only beacuse Mario Galaxy was "Epic".

 



Miyamotoo on 07 November 2015
S.Peelman said:
Miyamotoo said:

You mean something like Splatoon!? It sounds to me like you were talking about something like Splatoon.

If compare this Nintendo gen and previous, only thing we lack is "Epic" Mario like Mario Galaxy and Metroid Prime. Almost all other thing we have or we will have, not just that, same of those games are best in their whole franchises and we have something totally new, fresh and great like Splatoon, not to mentioned Xenoblade X game that is very ambitious and big or most ambitious Zelda game ever.

And what's most important, Nintendo manage to delivers all that despite huge problems they having this gen, like they had huge problems with HD development, bad launch for 3DS (they invest huge effort to save 3DS after launch and they succeed), terrible Wii U sales and all about that console...despite all that still delivered so many great things this gen and I am pretty sure if Wii U isn't in such a terrible condition we would have another 3D Mario game that is more "Epic" than Mario 3D World and new Metroid, but now we will get those games on NX instead.

I really hope we do.

New 3D Mario game is almost certain for NX launch and I think we will have Metroid Prime in 2017.



t3mporary_126 on 07 November 2015
Miyamotoo said:
t3mporary_126 said:
Miyamotoo said:

Mario 3D World certainly isn't ambitious or "Epic" like Mario Galaxy but its still great 3D Mario game and of the best games this gen.

Splatoon is very ambitious title despite lacs some online options, it's completely fresh and great new big IP for Nintendo and I can see that will outsell Smash Bros on NX. I really don't see why every Nintendo game needs to have 4 player local multiplayer, especially when game is totally online focused in comparison with Mario Kart or Smash Bros.


And so we go back to the original discussion of this thread and that is Nintendo has decreased their output in epic scale games in the Wii U compared to every home console before it. Which is fine because we can all agree 3D World and Splatoon are fun and addicitve to play. However, for consumers who expected Nintendo to continue making epic scale games, this generation isn't as fullfilling as previous generations.

Well depends, we can say that Mario Galaxy is "Epic" game, but for previous Mario game (Mario Sunshine) we cant say that is "Epic". Also we have or will have Epic games for Wii U, Mario Kart 8 is Epic and certainly more Epic than Mario Kart Wii, Xenoblade X too, Zelda U will certainly be Epic game, for me Splatoon is also pretty Epic. So we cant say "Nintendo has decreased their output in epic scale games in the Wii U" only beacuse Mario Galaxy was "Epic".

 


Splatoon is not an epic game. Mario Kart 8 sure. Xenoblade X yes. But not splatoon. It doesn't even have proper matchmaking and restricts you to game modes. Compare this to Team Fortress 2 and you can see why these restrictions put people off.

And Zelda U is probably not going to be an exclusive Wii U title anyway. So the Wii has Metroid Prime 3, Skyward Sword, and 2 Super Mario Galaxy games as exclusive epic single player games while Wii U has none from each series.



Cream147 on 07 November 2015

I've always compared Super Mario 3D World to a bag of sweets. Very fun, very addictive, and provides lots of immediate joy. However, it lacks the substance found in the two Super Mario Galaxy games for example. It's not a criticism of Super Mario 3D World as such, but I agree with the premise of the topic that Nintendo have made a lot of games like Super Mario 3D World this gen and exactly 0 games that capture the epic spirit of Super Mario Galaxy.



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Alkibiádēs on 07 November 2015
t3mporary_126 said:
Miyamotoo said:
t3mporary_126 said:
Miyamotoo said:

Mario 3D World certainly isn't ambitious or "Epic" like Mario Galaxy but its still great 3D Mario game and of the best games this gen.

Splatoon is very ambitious title despite lacs some online options, it's completely fresh and great new big IP for Nintendo and I can see that will outsell Smash Bros on NX. I really don't see why every Nintendo game needs to have 4 player local multiplayer, especially when game is totally online focused in comparison with Mario Kart or Smash Bros.


And so we go back to the original discussion of this thread and that is Nintendo has decreased their output in epic scale games in the Wii U compared to every home console before it. Which is fine because we can all agree 3D World and Splatoon are fun and addicitve to play. However, for consumers who expected Nintendo to continue making epic scale games, this generation isn't as fullfilling as previous generations.

Well depends, we can say that Mario Galaxy is "Epic" game, but for previous Mario game (Mario Sunshine) we cant say that is "Epic". Also we have or will have Epic games for Wii U, Mario Kart 8 is Epic and certainly more Epic than Mario Kart Wii, Xenoblade X too, Zelda U will certainly be Epic game, for me Splatoon is also pretty Epic. So we cant say "Nintendo has decreased their output in epic scale games in the Wii U" only beacuse Mario Galaxy was "Epic".

 


Splatoon is not an epic game. Mario Kart 8 sure. Xenoblade X yes. But not splatoon. It doesn't even have proper matchmaking and restricts you to game modes. Compare this to Team Fortress 2 and you can see why these restrictions put people off.

And Zelda U is probably not going to be an exclusive Wii U title anyway. So the Wii has Metroid Prime 3, Skyward Sword, and 2 Super Mario Galaxy games as exclusive epic single player games while Wii U has none from each series.

In what universe is Skyward Sword an epic game? It's a boring ugly game with obnoxious controls and the worst world design in any Zelda game. The second SMG isn't all that epic either when it comes to presentation. The space theme gets pushed to the background a lot. If that's epic then so is SM3DW.



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Miyamotoo on 07 November 2015
t3mporary_126 said:
Miyamotoo said:
t3mporary_126 said:
Miyamotoo said:

Mario 3D World certainly isn't ambitious or "Epic" like Mario Galaxy but its still great 3D Mario game and of the best games this gen.

Splatoon is very ambitious title despite lacs some online options, it's completely fresh and great new big IP for Nintendo and I can see that will outsell Smash Bros on NX. I really don't see why every Nintendo game needs to have 4 player local multiplayer, especially when game is totally online focused in comparison with Mario Kart or Smash Bros.


And so we go back to the original discussion of this thread and that is Nintendo has decreased their output in epic scale games in the Wii U compared to every home console before it. Which is fine because we can all agree 3D World and Splatoon are fun and addicitve to play. However, for consumers who expected Nintendo to continue making epic scale games, this generation isn't as fullfilling as previous generations.

Well depends, we can say that Mario Galaxy is "Epic" game, but for previous Mario game (Mario Sunshine) we cant say that is "Epic". Also we have or will have Epic games for Wii U, Mario Kart 8 is Epic and certainly more Epic than Mario Kart Wii, Xenoblade X too, Zelda U will certainly be Epic game, for me Splatoon is also pretty Epic. So we cant say "Nintendo has decreased their output in epic scale games in the Wii U" only beacuse Mario Galaxy was "Epic".

 


Splatoon is not an epic game. Mario Kart 8 sure. Xenoblade X yes. But not splatoon. It doesn't even have proper matchmaking and restricts you to game modes. Compare this to Team Fortress 2 and you can see why these restrictions put people off.

And Zelda U is probably not going to be an exclusive Wii U title anyway. So the Wii has Metroid Prime 3, Skyward Sword, and 2 Super Mario Galaxy games as exclusive epic single player games while Wii U has none from each series.

Splatoon has flaws, but again I think it's pretty Epic.

Zelda U is game from this generation (not next generation, this one!), it's in development for Wii U from 2012. or even before, but if game isn't exclusive for Wii U we will not count it!? Sorry but that's pretty stupid, especially because point of OP is where is Nintendo with Epic games and that Nintendo decreased Epic games for Wii U.

So we can all agree that we will have at least 3 Epic games on Wii U, Mario Kart 8, Xenoblade X and Zelda U. I dont think Metroid Prime 3 was so Epic, also same could say for Skyward Sword and Mario Galaxy 2, only games that were true epic games on Wii are Mario Galaxy and Xenoblade.



t3mporary_126 on 07 November 2015
Miyamotoo said:
t3mporary_126 said:


Splatoon is not an epic game. Mario Kart 8 sure. Xenoblade X yes. But not splatoon. It doesn't even have proper matchmaking and restricts you to game modes. Compare this to Team Fortress 2 and you can see why these restrictions put people off.

And Zelda U is probably not going to be an exclusive Wii U title anyway. So the Wii has Metroid Prime 3, Skyward Sword, and 2 Super Mario Galaxy games as exclusive epic single player games while Wii U has none from each series.

Splatoon has flaws, but again I think it's pretty Epic.

Zelda U is game from this generation (not next generation, this one!), it's in development for Wii U from 2012. or even before, but if game isn't exclusive for Wii U we will not count it!? Sorry but that's pretty stupid, especially because point of OP is where is Nintendo with Epic games and that Nintendo decreased Epic games for Wii U.

So we can all agree that we will have at least 3 Epic games on Wii U, Mario Kart 8, Xenoblade X and Zelda U. I dont think Metroid Prime 3 was so Epic, also same could say for Skyward Sword and Mario Galaxy 2, only games that were true epic games on Wii are Mario Galaxy and Xenoblade.


It may be your opinion that these games aren't epic but metacritic and fans would say otherwise.

http://www.metacritic.com/browse/games/release-date/available/wii/metascore



Miyamotoo on 07 November 2015
t3mporary_126 said:
Miyamotoo said:
t3mporary_126 said:


Splatoon is not an epic game. Mario Kart 8 sure. Xenoblade X yes. But not splatoon. It doesn't even have proper matchmaking and restricts you to game modes. Compare this to Team Fortress 2 and you can see why these restrictions put people off.

And Zelda U is probably not going to be an exclusive Wii U title anyway. So the Wii has Metroid Prime 3, Skyward Sword, and 2 Super Mario Galaxy games as exclusive epic single player games while Wii U has none from each series.

Splatoon has flaws, but again I think it's pretty Epic.

Zelda U is game from this generation (not next generation, this one!), it's in development for Wii U from 2012. or even before, but if game isn't exclusive for Wii U we will not count it!? Sorry but that's pretty stupid, especially because point of OP is where is Nintendo with Epic games and that Nintendo decreased Epic games for Wii U.

So we can all agree that we will have at least 3 Epic games on Wii U, Mario Kart 8, Xenoblade X and Zelda U. I dont think Metroid Prime 3 was so Epic, also same could say for Skyward Sword and Mario Galaxy 2, only games that were true epic games on Wii are Mario Galaxy and Xenoblade.


It may be your opinion that these games aren't epic but metacritic and fans would say otherwise.

http://www.metacritic.com/browse/games/release-date/available/wii/metascore

Of Course I don't think that World Of Goo, Rock Band 2 and 3, Rayman Origins..are epic games.



Cream147 on 07 November 2015
Alkibiádēs said:

In what universe is Skyward Sword an epic game? It's a boring ugly game with obnoxious controls and the worst world design in any Zelda game. The second SMG isn't all that epic either when it comes to presentation. The space theme gets pushed to the background a lot. If that's epic then so is SM3DW.


Haha, be fair to say you and I see Skyward Sword a lot differently. The game has a lot of wow moments for me - I guess it depends on the perspective you view it from. It's an open question as to which of Skyward Sword or SM3DW is the better game - they're both high quality after all. However, in terms of which is more "epic", then it's obviously Skyward Sword, because it aims for that feeling a lot more.

Edit: I note that I'm seeing a lot of muddling between high quality games and epic games. In my view, those are two different things. Mario Kart 8 is a game of the highest calibre but it's not particularly epic.