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Would you?

Yes, I'd eliminate or bl... 50 28.57%
 
Yes, I'd edit it to make... 9 5.14%
 
No, I'd leave it be. 71 40.57%
 
Depends on the case, depends on the context. 31 17.71%
 
Show me the answers / I d... 14 8.00%
 
Total:175

like i said in the other thread they can just raise the age to 18 of a character instead removing or replacing real content. I hate censorship in videogames, i prefer playing the games how the developers envisioned them. If you think its wrong its for you to decide not Nintendo or other publishers.

People who play the moral compass here calling it pedophilia should ask themselves why they planning on buying games from these developers in the first place? So if its pedophilia to you and its wrong here in your part of the world then it should be wrong everywhere including in Japan where it isnt censored?

In the end of the day its videogames and every culture has its own take on virtual people. 

In the morally rightful Western part of World, of course its totally fine killing unarmed civilians as terrorist or killing a Baby with here Mother, but god forbid some lolis in Lingerie...



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No.
It's pixels, it's like animes/mangas. Some sort of art, with a mature side.
This is intended for mature audience, not for everybody.

I'd much rather have them take down REAL porn/violence medias first.

If you take down fake stuff first, that makes no sense, especially when games are considered a way to do things you wouldn't do in real life.

If Rockstar were to release the latest GTA on a Nintendo platform, and Nintendo decided to help, buuuut they want "sex" related things altered, Rockstar would tell them to go fuck themselves.



vivster said:
Scisca said:


The difference between pedophilia and ephebophilia is not any arbitrary point in age. It's not "from 15". It's about the look of the body. If the body is still the body of the child and that's what's turning somebody on - it's pedophilia. If the body is already developed and is the body of a young woman or man, it's ephebophilia. In fact, you can see this reflected in the laws of different countries, which allow people to have sex from a different age. In Europe it's usually 15 (Poland for example), but in Italy it's 14, while in Spain 13. So in Spain you could bang the chick from XCX and everything would be fine  That's also why in any case we can't talk pedophilia in XCX case. That girl is already very well developed (looks certainly more than 13) - she's got boobs and the body shape of a grown up woman. They could easily put a higher age and be over with it. It is a sci-fi game after all, they could just as well say she's 3000 years old.

Sometimes I don't want to live in a world where people equate pedophilia with ephebophilia, only one of which is a mental disorder or paraphilia.


The age groups I listed are the ones specifically listed to separate it from Hebephilia, which are generally kids between the ages of 11-14. The number, as you say, is not what matters. For the former group, it's those underage kids who have largely developed the bodies of adults, and people attracted to them are mostly also attracted to adults. For the latter group, it's the attraction to kids who have only just reached puberty, and it is distinct in that it has been found that men who are attracted to this group are more likely than not to focus on this age group, holding no attraction for adults.

For this reason it's a distinction that's only been made recently as, while the ephebophilia group are fairly common and are attracted to these minors because they look like fairly well developed adults (i.e. it's the adult in them that they like), the latter like the childlike qualities of the younger group. Hebephilia isn't pedophilia, then, but as it is a preference for kids who still retain many childlike attributes and those of this group frequently have no interest for anyone older, it was decided to make the distinction between them and ephebophilia as, in most countries, their interests are considered an illness and to act on them is often a serious crime.

As I mentioned, which attractions constitute an illness or crime vary greatly; heck, here in the U.S. they vary by state. I believe here in Florida I heard a 14 year old can date and sleep with anyone up to 24 years old, whereas I know a man from Alabama who was charged with statutory rape back in the 70's for having consensual sex with his 17 year old girlfriend while being 18 himself.

That said, with the Hebephiliac's preference for kids generally between the age of 11 and 15, and their more-frequent-than-not inability to feel attraction for other fellow adults, theirs is a dangerous focus to have and, in my opinion, they really ought to seek out therapy if it develops into an obsession. Relationships with kids that age (with a full grown adult) are not infrequently tremendously scarring psychologically for the kids, and there's few countries where this isn't a serious crime. That's why I'm not a fan of the sexualizing of kids in games and art, and why I specifically mentioned ephebophilia as opposed to Hebephilia.

Also, I won't speak much into this but I do find many of these portrayals to be cheating the system by simply stating the character is some higher age while drawing them as if they were far, far younger. I've noticed many characters in games and anime are given signs of adulthood like large breasts, but then they're given the size and face of a young child and dressed in outfits that would make your average Brazilian blush. I'm not sure what to make of those, but they very much walk that line I mentioned between ephebophilia and Hebephilia. Simply saying an obvious kid is "15" or older doesn't seem right.



Johnw1104 said:

The age groups I listed are the ones specifically listed to separate it from Hebephilia, which are generally kids between the ages of 11-14. The number, as you say, is not what matters. For the former group, it's those underage kids who have largely developed the bodies of adults, and people attracted to them are mostly also attracted to adults. For the latter group, it's the attraction to kids who have only just reached puberty, and it is distinct in that it has been found that men who are attracted to this group are more likely than not to focus on this age group, holding no attraction for adults.

For this reason it's a distinction that's only been made recently as, while the ephebophilia group are fairly common and are attracted to these minors because they look like fairly well developed adults (i.e. it's the adult in them that they like), the latter like the childlike qualities of the younger group. Hebephilia isn't pedophilia, then, but as it is a preference for kids who still retain many childlike attributes and those of this group frequently have no interest for anyone older, it was decided to make the distinction between them and ephebophilia as, in most countries, their interests are considered an illness and to act on them is often a serious crime.

As I mentioned, which attractions constitute an illness or crime vary greatly; heck, here in the U.S. they vary by state. I believe here in Florida I heard a 14 year old can date and sleep with anyone up to 24 years old, whereas I know a man from Alabama who was charged with statutory rape back in the 70's for having consensual sex with his 17 year old girlfriend while being 18 himself.

That said, with the Hebephiliac's preference for kids generally between the age of 11 and 15, and their more-frequent-than-not inability to feel attraction for other fellow adults, theirs is a dangerous focus to have and, in my opinion, they really ought to seek out therapy if it develops into an obsession. Relationships with kids that age (with a full grown adult) are not infrequently tremendously scarring psychologically for the kids, and there's few countries where this isn't a serious crime. That's why I'm not a fan of the sexualizing of kids in games and art, and why I specifically mentioned ephebophilia as opposed to Hebephilia.

Also, I won't speak much into this but I do find many of these portrayals to be cheating the system by simply stating the character is some higher age while drawing them as if they were far, far younger. I've noticed many characters in games and anime are given signs of adulthood like large breasts, but then they're given the size and face of a young child and dressed in outfits that would make your average Brazilian blush. I'm not sure what to make of those, but they very much walk that line I mentioned between ephebophilia and Hebephilia. Simply saying an obvious kid is "15" or older doesn't seem right.

The number doesn't matter at all. As long as there are 13 yo that look like 20 and 30yo that look like 12 I think it's ridiculous to put a fixed number on anything.

And that brings us to the current topic. This is FICTION! You can put any number on anything and make it true. There are weirder things going on but for some reason people like to focus on the trivial things. Nevermind a child with a giant gun running around killing monsters, but oh my god a pubescent girl with breasts and a particular fashion style suddenly crosses the line and has to be compared to reality. Which is funny, since 13yo in skympy clothing is probably the closest thing to reality the game has to offer.

What is wrong with a girl dressing sexy? What is wrong with a girl wanting to look and be treated as an adult? Last time I checked that's pretty much the modus operandi of every teenage girl. And what is wrong with other people ogling said sexy lady that is presenting her secondary sexual features, thus triggering a completely normal biological response in most males? And to bring this further, what is wrong if said people are also imagining a fun time in their head?

People might not like it but there is nothing they can and nothing they should do against it. The moment we're judging and acting upon other people's mere thoughts or fantasies, is the moment society breaks.

I thought especially here in a gaming forum, the concept of fiction not causing illegal activites is an accepted fact. But no, since it's morally acceptable to gang up on certain hobbies and fetishes, the outrages are allowed to happen.

So my stance is: The fantasy depiction of any morally ambiguous matter or criminal activity does not cause said matters. So I'm ok with any depiction of it in any form. That includes violence, murder, rape, torture, racism, sexism, pornography and any cross section of that with any gender, age or life form. I might not actively support or even like all of it but you can be damn sure that I will fight for a person's right to transform their fantasies into visual arts.

I do not support crime but if our thoughts aren't free, then nothing is.



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