yes and they actually have to pay to play their games lol such a racket

Grammar

Also it's not just this mod taking a dig based on his own opinions, it's part of the rules which while stating they don't lead to moderation well... it's explained in part 16 of the forums rules.

- Quality of Language. Make an effort to type in full words and sentences. Put a space after punctuation and capitalise the start of sentences. You're not writing a text message, and you are not in any hurry. It is very easy to tell the difference between a non-native speaker (who is more than welcome here) and somebody who is simply not making any effort to be coherent. You won't be moderated for using text speak, but it certainly won't endear you to other users. Similarly, use paragraphs and line breaks, because nobody wants to read an enormous wall of text.

From a personal point of view I find myself picturing the type of person who hammers away at a keyboard without so much as a glance back over their post to see it isn't peppered in mistakes, I mean if you aren't going to put the effort into typing it correctly you can hardly be surprised if people aren't going to put the effort into trying to read what you might have meant from it?

Also what you view to be lies and agenda spreading is either peoples opinions or what they happen to have encountered themselves, it being different to what you feel about the matter doesn't make it a lie. If you just label everyone who has had a bad experience (or even a less than amazing experience) with their PC at some stage in their lives as being a liar well it doesn't really leave much room for actual discussion on the subject at all, not open discussion anyways.

Cheaper games and free online make a big difference over the course of a generation. Upgrading a PC after you already own everything is fairly reasonable.

I will always need a PC for other tasks. It makes much more sense for me to own a powerful $800-1000 PC - instead of a weaker $400 PC and $400 console. The initial price is essentially the same. It's much more powerful for gaming as well as daily computing. Cheaper games and free online add up over the course of the generation.

Loosely related I recently got my wife a new laptop as the old windows 7 one had too many issues. It was on sale for CAD 869 ($660) and although bestbuy is not my favorite, using credit card points to get a laptop is a bonus. It looks very good so far. Yet it still took about 10 hours to get it up and running decent enough.

First one that arrived turned out to be a lemon. After initial language setup and being forced to set up a microsoft account, it would not boot up windows. Just a black screen with a mouse pointer. Forcing a restart initiated the repair mode with the same effect, sometimes not even getting past the Dell logo, one time actually getting as far as initiating win 8 repair mode. I guess the HDD was doa. Although I had to drive to the next town, it was easy enough to get a replacement right away. Still almost 4 hours wasted. Anyway it can happen with anything.

The second one works flawlessly. Windows 8.1 was still a bit of a hassle though. Many little things, like all file explorer windows etc being blurry (global windows scaling set to 125% out of the box), a twitchy track pad, annoying ambient light sensor, default programs all pointing to annoying app versions. (Why can't it simply start the desktop equivalent when you're on the desktop...) Anyway with google at the ready everything could be solved easily enough. Don't forget to opt out of all the 'MS looks over your shoulder while typing' stuff and I disconnected the MS account again so you can turn it on without the password check all the time. It wouldn't connect to my homegroup initially, yet after a reboot it could access it in a roundabout way. (win 7 server with all my backup data) Homegroup still gives me, "ask your administrator for permission" nonsense. Moving on to 104 critical patches and 16 optional. That took a few hours and a bunch of reboots before it was up to date. Updates from Dell too of course.

On a plus point, not a lot of bloatware on a Dell laptop nowadays (or they hide it well) Quite a difference with the previous Toshiba laptop where I had to uninstall a whole list of bloatware. More programs to install, abobe reader, excell + word viewer (don't feel like paying $100 a year for Office 365, don't need the latest word/excell for writing) and all the programs my wife uses.


Initial experience:

My wife decided to give internet explorer another try. It seemed to work fine now, although pretty annoying in tablet mode. She was on facebook, the virtual keyboard goes over the message windows so you can't see what you're typing. And for some reason anything you touch to give focus keeps resizing, zooming in and out. Back to laptop mode.
Then the mouse cursor went beserk, flickering between and hand and cursor on an internet explorer window. According to Google it might be some other window that didn't close correctly. We thought it had gone away but yesterday morning the whole window went beserk. Flickering like crazy while using Facebook. She switched back to Firefox which has run flawlessly since.

Very nice laptop overall, great screen, night and day difference with the old Toshiba laptop. It's not for gaming, no clue how the integrated graphics perform. Yet even if it was, the out-of-the-box experience wouldn't be much different. Compared to being up and running on a new ps4 in a few minutes, pc's still have some way to go.

You know that Windows 10 is out (and the upgrade is free), which would have spared you much hassle, don't you?

And disconnecting the MS account to turn off the password check? That's asking for future problems... why not activate the PIN-option instead (just enter 4 numbers instead of the password)? Typing these in doesn't take a second and secures your data at least a little bit, if the laptop gets stolen.

Additionally an optical drive is unecessary these days unless you want an all-in-one HTPC. The last two PC's I built don't have them, and didn't need them. You can install Windows from a usb flash drive, and it is quite easy to do.  Hell, I bought a laptop in 2011 that cost an extra $75 because it had a blu-ray drive, and I used the blu-ray drive probably twice, and both times it was a hassle because the laser was super sensitive and wouldn't read blu-ray discs unless I would clean it with alcohol. Optic drives will go the way of floppy, not necessary/side uses for compatibility with old resources. Not to mention you can get an external dvd reader/writer for something like $15. 

Yep, I installed that on the old laptop to give it a trial period. That took a long time (hours) and lost sound in the process (auto switching between headphones and speakers doesn't work anymore) yet so far so good. A lot of setting have moved around again unfortunately, and homegroup doesn't list my windows 7 pc anymore, but I can access the shared drive via network. There's 1 failed driver update (Toshiba related) and no more settings for updates.

Initially it wasn't responding to windows key shortcuts, yet today it is. Looks like the old control panel is still there, yesterday I could only find the new settings center. I'm not sure what it was doing, yet after the install the hdd was 98% occupied for a long time with background processes. Today it looks ready for user input :)

I'll upgrade the other laptops if it keeps behaving for half a year. No rush.


Btw the laptop never leaves the house, no pin required.

@Chazore, continuing on from your reply, I disagree about GTA being held back 'to make it the best', I think it was a pure business decision by R*, but only they will know the truth.

You are right on Arkham Knight, I should have said Warner Bros, not Rocksteady.

You mention PC as a growing market, and the high revenue it has. I did not say it wasn't. I was talking about per copy of a game sale - the console copy makes the developer/pub more in the vast majority of cases. And a lot of the revenue in the PC space comes from subscription service games, and free to play models. That doesn't make it not count or anything, but it is a difference.

Maybe my opening sentence was a bit baity, I would personally say attention grabbing, but it is truthful.

Really? You want to tell me there are as plenty bugs in console games to find as in pc games? Srsly? No, i don't trust you. You obviously have no idea what you're talking. Obviously, because i didn't deny console games don't have similar issues, however not to such an extent.

I was talking about regular game breaking bugs not only a few experience, but the f*ing majority and which need be fixed with a patch by the godd*** developer. Also i wasn't talking bugs only. 

It is a known fact that games for PC plattform need more development attention and arrive at the end consumer with a a lot more issues and require a lot more fixing due to various reasons (tighter budget, nonuniform hard-/software). And problems in console games get fixed faster. I'm waiting for a PC game to be fixed, a game officially released almost a year ago. So spare me your arrogant lecture.

This is true.