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I bet it'll have big chips and work real good maybe even fill those 8K panels with the two foot bezels to be like big screen with lots of little pixels in them, in real times! Fast rendering good, maybe some more RAM and that would help them too with the ports. Port quick, PROFIT!



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DonFerrari said:
Miyamotoo said:

Well Nintendo will always have smaller third party support than MS and Sony because most of Nintendo buyers buy Nintendo consoles for Nintendo games in in comparison with MS/Sony which lots a people buy them for third party. Also, third party always had worst sales on Nintendo platforms. I dont think Nintendo will ever have third party support like MS/Soni but definitely can have much better support than this gen, maybe like they had on GameCube or better, and Nintendo is doing staffs in order to have better support, better communication and better devs kit, better and easy hardware for developing and porting, cross developing for more than one devices...

 

I already wrote why Wii U had bad launch and 1st year lineup (paragraph down), and with NX Nintendo will not have those problems. I dont think I am too optimistic, I think I am objective beacuse all this things I wrote are based on facts and Nintendo plans with NX. You have to realize that current generation will be Nintendo worst generation ever, and Nintendo is changing and they changing lotsa things in order to next generation be much successful than this one, so that means correction of mistakes that they made this gen.

Wii U is Nintendo first HD console and they had big problems with HD development that directly affected Wii U launch and first year lineup, with NX they will not have those problems because now they are very familiar with it. Another huge problem was that they needed to make different games for 3DS and Wii U in same time, especially because 3DS had very bad launch and Nintendo invest great effort in new games (they released Mario Kart 7, Zelda OOT 3D, Mario 3D Land, Star Fox 3D in same quarter in which they launched Wii U) in order to save 3DS, and they done that but that effect on Wii U. But again with NX they will not have that problem because they will make one game in same time for both consoles, not completely separate like this gen, that means much more games. Whole this Nintendo unified plans are to prevent software drought like before.


Well it may get as good support as gc but the conversation part I think isn't as good as you think. So far their proposals don't seem to have come from benchmarking or talking to devs. And If the not powerfull remark them devs will still ignore them. If they decide for the double platform it may make it even worse.

about being easier. Ms/sony and 3rd have been making hd games for almost 10 years and delays still happen and dev cycle is quite big.

 

you seem to be hoping too much. The optmistic is the pessimist ill informed.

 

But I'd like to see they do great.

GameCube had very good 3rd party support for Nintendo console, Wii U basically dont have 3rd party at all.

Give 3rd party similar power of PS4/XboxOne, give them similar architecture (all points that NX will not be weak and that will have similar PS4/Xbox One architecture) and they will port PS4/Xbox One games for NX pretty easy and fast, also this cross developing in same time for multiple devices will make things more attractive for them. Beacuse of that, personaly I think NX can have similar suport like GameCube had, or maybe even better.



Skylake will be only a temporary placeholder because it is a fast and available AMD64-compatible CPU, the final product will most likely have a much weaker and way less expensive custom AMD APU.



And the 3DS is close to the ps360 in graphical fidelity, it would be in everyone's best interest to take this with as much salt as possible.



Miyamotoo said:
DonFerrari said:


Well it may get as good support as gc but the conversation part I think isn't as good as you think. So far their proposals don't seem to have come from benchmarking or talking to devs. And If the not powerfull remark them devs will still ignore them. If they decide for the double platform it may make it even worse.

about being easier. Ms/sony and 3rd have been making hd games for almost 10 years and delays still happen and dev cycle is quite big.

 

you seem to be hoping too much. The optmistic is the pessimist ill informed.

 

But I'd like to see they do great.

GameCube had very good 3rd party support for Nintendo console, Wii U basically dont have 3rd party at all.

Give 3rd party similar power of PS4/XboxOne, give them similar architecture (all points that NX will not be weak and that will have similar PS4/Xbox One architecture) and they will port PS4/Xbox One games for NX pretty easy and fast, also this cross developing in same time for multiple devices will make things more attractive for them. Beacuse of that, personaly I think NX can have similar suport like GameCube had, or maybe even better.

If porting is cheap and fast it could happen. But don't forget nextgen will be close by, and having same games as ps4/x1 won't help get new customer when ps4 will already be close to 50M so it would more be like entice Nintendo usual customer (who don't care much about 3rd). But I could be wrong and the thing explodes.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

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DonFerrari said:
Miyamotoo said:

GameCube had very good 3rd party support for Nintendo console, Wii U basically dont have 3rd party at all.

Give 3rd party similar power of PS4/XboxOne, give them similar architecture (all points that NX will not be weak and that will have similar PS4/Xbox One architecture) and they will port PS4/Xbox One games for NX pretty easy and fast, also this cross developing in same time for multiple devices will make things more attractive for them. Beacuse of that, personaly I think NX can have similar suport like GameCube had, or maybe even better.

If porting is cheap and fast it could happen. But don't forget nextgen will be close by, and having same games as ps4/x1 won't help get new customer when ps4 will already be close to 50M so it would more be like entice Nintendo usual customer (who don't care much about 3rd). But I could be wrong and the thing explodes.

Nintendo platfors will always sell on first play beacuse of Nintendo games, thats fact, while with PS4/XboxOne you have lotsa people that  buying consoles because of 3rd party not exclusives. But point having 3rd party on Nintendo platform is to be more attractive platform to people who doesnt want to play only Nintendo games, some people want Mario, Pokkemon and Zelda but in same time they want Fifa, Need For Speed, Call Of Duty...thats point, platform thats is attractive not just to hard core Nintendo fans and kids. Also on NX you will home and handheld consoles that will have heavy integration, and that can share majority of same games and features and offcourse great Nintendo games, those are things that PS4/XboxOne dont have. Also we can expect some 3rd and 2nd party exclusives like we having this gen.



If Nintendo does go with Arctic Islands NX can very well match or exceed PS4

AMD 14nm/16nm Arctic Islands GPUs Arriving In 2016

 "Su confirmed that AMD is set to update its entire graphics portfolio in 2016.  The new family of GPUs will feature significant architectural enhancements as well as cutting edge FinFET process technology to deliver twice the performance per watt of AMD’s current graphics offerings."

"This graphics architecture will power everything from next generation mobile and desktop GPUs to APUs and semi-custom chips. There’s also strong evidence to suggest that Nindendo’s next generation gaming device “Nintendo NX” – which is coming next year – will be powered by an AMD semi-custom SOC. Making it a very likely candidate to feature AMD’s 3rd generation “Arctic Islands” GCN architecture." 



Miyamotoo said:
DonFerrari said:

If porting is cheap and fast it could happen. But don't forget nextgen will be close by, and having same games as ps4/x1 won't help get new customer when ps4 will already be close to 50M so it would more be like entice Nintendo usual customer (who don't care much about 3rd). But I could be wrong and the thing explodes.

Nintendo platfors will always sell on first play beacuse of Nintendo games, thats fact, while with PS4/XboxOne you have lotsa people that  buying consoles because of 3rd party not exclusives. But point having 3rd party on Nintendo platform is to be more attractive platform to people who doesnt want to play only Nintendo games, some people want Mario, Pokkemon and Zelda but in same time they want Fifa, Need For Speed, Call Of Duty...thats point, platform thats is attractive not just to hard core Nintendo fans and kids. Also on NX you will home and handheld consoles that will have heavy integration, and that can share majority of same games and features and offcourse great Nintendo games, those are things that PS4/XboxOne dont have. Also we can expect some 3rd and 2nd party exclusives like we having this gen.

Gamecube had all you want and was even stronger than PS2 sold less than 30M, N64 against PS1 wasn't a lot better.. dunno why you expect Nintendo to sell really well based on 3rd party support or keep sure that fusion is certain.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

DonFerrari said:
Miyamotoo said:

Nintendo platfors will always sell on first play beacuse of Nintendo games, thats fact, while with PS4/XboxOne you have lotsa people that  buying consoles because of 3rd party not exclusives. But point having 3rd party on Nintendo platform is to be more attractive platform to people who doesnt want to play only Nintendo games, some people want Mario, Pokkemon and Zelda but in same time they want Fifa, Need For Speed, Call Of Duty...thats point, platform thats is attractive not just to hard core Nintendo fans and kids. Also on NX you will home and handheld consoles that will have heavy integration, and that can share majority of same games and features and offcourse great Nintendo games, those are things that PS4/XboxOne dont have. Also we can expect some 3rd and 2nd party exclusives like we having this gen.

Gamecube had all you want and was even stronger than PS2 sold less than 30M, N64 against PS1 wasn't a lot better.. dunno why you expect Nintendo to sell really well based on 3rd party support or keep sure that fusion is certain.

PS2 was best selling gaming console in history so nobody really had chance against it, not even very good GameCube and pretty solid Xbox. N64 had solid sales numbers (33m), but PS1 destroyed it because all third party abandoned them for CD format, huge mistake from Nintendo. If Wii U had 3rd party support like GameCube, maybe could reach GC numbers, but in this case probably will end around 15m.

I didnt said it will sell very well, I think it will sell much better than Wii U, better than GC and maybe better than N64. Offcourse 3rd party will influence on those sales and that fusion thing (that is almost certainly), will make Nintendo hardware much more attractive.



se7en7thre3 said:

If Nintendo does go with Arctic Islands NX can very well match or exceed PS4

AMD 14nm/16nm Arctic Islands GPUs Arriving In 2016

 "Su confirmed that AMD is set to update its entire graphics portfolio in 2016.  The new family of GPUs will feature significant architectural enhancements as well as cutting edge FinFET process technology to deliver twice the performance per watt of AMD’s current graphics offerings."

"This graphics architecture will power everything from next generation mobile and desktop GPUs to APUs and semi-custom chips. There’s also strong evidence to suggest that Nindendo’s next generation gaming device “Nintendo NX” – which is coming next year – will be powered by an AMD semi-custom SOC. Making it a very likely candidate to feature AMD’s 3rd generation “Arctic Islands” GCN architecture." 

Be careful with Wccftech. What they publish is mostly industry rumors (without verifying if they are true or not), and that last sentence is pure and simply a guess.

Also, just to say it all, "Artic Islands" is the code name of the next gen of graphic cards from AMD, but in those "Artic Islands" there are three different designs: Greenland for the high end, Ellesmere for the mid-range and Baffin for the low end, so even if Nintendo used one of the Artic Islands chips, it could be weaker than PS4/X1.

In summary, don't believe anything about NX unless it comes Nintendo or from one of those articles where a console is teared appart and its components are revealed.



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