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midrange said:
zorg1000 said:


Chariot

Citizens of Earth

Gunman Clive 2

SpongeBob HeroPants

Moon Chronicles

Ace Combat: Assault Horizon+

IronFall: Invasion

Monster Hunter 4 Ultimate

OlliOlli

Proun+

Trine: Enchanted Edition

Lego Ninjago: Shadow of Ronin

Story of Seasons

Etrian Mystery Dungeon

Affordable Space Adventures

A-Train: City Simulator

Devil Survivor 2: Record Breaker

Attack on Titan: Humanity in Chains

Don't Starve: Giant Edition

Lord of Magna: Maiden Heaven

Adventures of Pip

Lego Jurassic World

Samurai Warriors Chronicles 3

The Binding of Isaac: Rebirth

Legend of Kay HD

Badland: Game of the Year Edition

Xeodrifter

Freedom Planet

Etrian Odyssey 2 Untold: the Fafnir Knight

Brave Tank Hero

Garfield Kart

Paddington: Adventures in London

Woah Dave!

Runbow

Disney Infinity 3.0

Senran Kagura 2: Deep Crimson

Hatsune Miku: Project Mirai DX

Skylanders: Superchargers

Lego Dimensions

The Legend of Legacy

Dragon Ball Z: Extreme Butoden

Gravity Falls: Legends of the Gnome Gemulet

Guitar Hero Live

Just Dance 2016

Adventure Time: Finn & Jake Investigations

Human Resource Machine

The Peanuts Movie: Snoopy's Grand Adventure

Rodea the Sky Soldier

Kung Fu Panda: Showdown of Legendary Legends

Mutant Mudds Super Challenge

Octodad: Deadliest Catch

Return to Popolocrois

Shantae: Risky's Revenge Director's Cut

Stella Glow

Starwhal: Just the Tip

Steamworld Heist

Swords & Soldiers II

The Swindle

Year Walk

Fast Racing Neo

Extreme Exorcism

This is an incomplete list of 3rd party titles for 3DS/Wii U this year and likely a similar type of lineup we can expect for NX if it's a unified setup, niche Japanese titles, kid/family friendly western titles, and indie titles. That plus having all Nintendo published titles in a single ecosystem gives the devices a consistent stream of new releases.


That ... Is a pretty sad list.

monster hunter 4 ultimate is the only worthwhile third party title.


I see a lot of fun and quality titles, it doesn't have the big AAA western titles but those don't sell well on Nintendo platforms even when they do get them so they shouldn't be a priority for Nintendo.



When the herd loses its way, the shepard must kill the bull that leads them astray.

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zorg1000 said:
potato_hamster said:
ITT; People who are going to buy the NX regardless of how much it costs, its features or its library. Hardcore Nintendo fans are indeed hardcore. Their numbers do keep getting smaller and smaller and smaller with every generation. I hope none of you folks are expecting third party support if this NX actually has two + form factors that must be developed for.


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This is an incomplete list of 3rd party titles for 3DS/Wii U this year and likely a similar type of lineup we can expect for NX if it's a unified setup, niche Japanese titles, kid/family friendly western titles, and indie titles. That plus having all Nintendo published titles in a single ecosystem gives the devices a consistent stream of new releases.

OHH MY GOD YOU'RE TOTALLY RIGHT! SO MANY SYSTEM SELLERS! WII Us MUST BE FLYING OFF THE SHELVES! HOW CAN NINTENDO KEEP UP WITH DEMAND!?!

Give me a break. That's a pretty poor list of decent third party games, with only a handful that the average person would even recognize. Almost all of those games are made on shoestring  budgets where their business model is to get on as many platforms as cheaply and quickly as possible. If this is the support the NX can expect it's already a failure.



The_Yoda said:
midrange said:
 


That ... Is a pretty sad list.

monster hunter 4 ultimate is the only worthwhile third party title.

How the hell can you say that when the list has The Peanuts Movie: Snoopy's Grand Adventure in it...? Are you for real or am  missing some kind of inside joke?

My bad, I was so invested in The GOTY: Kung Fu Panda: Showdown of Legendary Legends that I assumed everything else was bad



Miyamotoo said:
potato_hamster said:
ITT; People who are going to buy the NX regardless of how much it costs, its features or its library. Hardcore Nintendo fans are indeed hardcore. Their numbers do keep getting smaller and smaller and smaller with every generation. I hope none of you folks are expecting third party support if this NX actually has two + form factors that must be developed for.

Why people acting like Wii does not exist if it was just light in a bottle!?

Actually I think this two + form factors will more attractive for third party developers because in same time they can develop one game for handheld and home console and just one device. They will certainly not must to develop for more devices, they can develop just for device if they want. With all Nintendo plans regardless NX, NX will have much better third party support than Wii U (which frankly is not so difficult to achieve).


People act like the Wii didn't exist because it was an anomoly. Nintendo failed to carry any momentum for the Wii and its downward trend in sales continued as if the Wii never happened. There is no reason to expect the NX will enjoy Wii levels of success.

I don't know why you think they won't force developers to support every form factor if the games are supposed to be cross compatible. I thought the entire premise of this was "one cartridge - multiple consoles". If that isn't the case and the NX is two entirely seperate consoles with entirely seperate games that just so happen to have similar specs then that's fine and dandy - the cost of developing the NX wont be any different than developing for the Wii U.

However, what reason do you have to think that the NX will have "much better" third party support. I remember hearing very very similar statements about the Wii U vs the Wii. If the Wii proved anything, its that with few exceptions, third parties don't sell well on Nintendo consoles anymore, even if the console sales are over 100 million. What reason do you really have to think the NX will be any different unless the third party games are better on the NX than they will be on other consoles?



Miyamotoo said:
potato_hamster said:
ITT; People who are going to buy the NX regardless of how much it costs, its features or its library. Hardcore Nintendo fans are indeed hardcore. Their numbers do keep getting smaller and smaller and smaller with every generation. I hope none of you folks are expecting third party support if this NX actually has two + form factors that must be developed for.

Why people acting like Wii does not exist if it was just light in a bottle!?

Actually I think this two + form factors will more attractive for third party developers because in same time they can develop one game for handheld and home console and just one device. They will certainly not must to develop for more devices, they can develop just for device if they want. With all Nintendo plans regardless NX, NX will have much better third party support than Wii U (which frankly is not so difficult to achieve).

The wii was lightning in a bottle. Notice how Nintendo failed miserably to replicate that success?

When people bought the wii, they bought for 1 thing, motion controls. When people buy the ps4 they do it because of a combination of factors (better hardware, more games, solid online, great controller,...). This is what makes the Wii a fad and the ps4 a planned success.

gambling an entire generation on a single gimmick won't work everytime, especially when the competition isn't making price point or Red Ring related mistakes



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zorg1000 said:
midrange said:


That ... Is a pretty sad list.

monster hunter 4 ultimate is the only worthwhile third party title.


I see a lot of fun and quality titles, it doesn't have the big AAA western titles but those don't sell well on Nintendo platforms even when they do get them so they shouldn't be a priority for Nintendo.

Let's assume there are some quality titles. I would be willing to bet that that a game like fallout or cod or battlefront would outsell all of those games combined. Why is this important? It shows that Nintendo shouldn't really on just indies and TV/movie related games



potato_hamster said:
zorg1000 said:
potato_hamster said:
ITT; People who are going to buy the NX regardless of how much it costs, its features or its library. Hardcore Nintendo fans are indeed hardcore. Their numbers do keep getting smaller and smaller and smaller with every generation. I hope none of you folks are expecting third party support if this NX actually has two + form factors that must be developed for.


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This is an incomplete list of 3rd party titles for 3DS/Wii U this year and likely a similar type of lineup we can expect for NX if it's a unified setup, niche Japanese titles, kid/family friendly western titles, and indie titles. That plus having all Nintendo published titles in a single ecosystem gives the devices a consistent stream of new releases.

OHH MY GOD YOU'RE TOTALLY RIGHT! SO MANY SYSTEM SELLERS! WII Us MUST BE FLYING OFF THE SHELVES! HOW CAN NINTENDO KEEP UP WITH DEMAND!?!

Give me a break. That's a pretty poor list of decent third party games, with only a handful that the average person would even recognize. Almost all of those games are made on shoestring  budgets where their business model is to get on as many platforms as cheaply and quickly as possible. If this is the support the NX can expect it's already a failure.


Those games are divided among 2 separate devices so no Wii U is not flying off of shelves because of them because it only has a fraction of them. That's ONE of the major problems for Wii U & 3DS, they each have holes in their lineups that cause droughts and are missing key games found on the other. They have other issues that need to be addressed as well.

But like always, Nintendo's 1st/2nd party titles will be the main attraction, and no that does not simply mean more of the same since Wii U does not get a lot of the titles 3DS gets like Kid Icarus, Pokémon, Tomodachi Life, Animal Crossing, Luigi's Mansion, etc and 3DS does not get a lot of the Wii U titles like Pikmin, Splatoon, Mario Maker. Nintendo is shooting themselves in the foot by not offering all their games on both devices, it's hurts software sales by having games exclusive to only a percentage of their audience and it hurts hardware sales because each individual device has a less appealing lineup they potentially could.

Then u also have the added benefit of less redundant titles, Mario Kart team no longer needs to release 2 separate Mario Kart titles for 2 separate platforms, they can make 1 and support it with DLC then move onto a new IP. Nintendo has a lot of success when they invest heavily in new IP/new ideas something they haven't been able to do a lot of this generation due to having to make entries of all their big franchises twice. We have seen some successes like Tomodachi & Splatoon but they are too few and far between along with being too little, too late in Wii U's case.

3rd parties are and always have been supplementary to Nintendo's own offerings even on their massively popular devices like NES/GB/DS/Wii. People talk about games like Mega Man, CastleVania, Contra, Ninja Gaiden as important titles for NES but the only 3rd party games to sell over 2 million on NES were Ninja Turtles and Dragon Quest, they are also the only 3rd party titles to crack the top 20 for NES. If u look at GB/DS/Wii software sales then u will see a very similar situation where the majority of big sellers and top games are Nintendo IP. 3rd parties are primarily support titles when it comes to Nintendo, it's always been this way and always will be.

So yes these are the type of 3rd party games Nintendo needs, niche Japanese titles, kid/family friendly titles, unique indie titles, games that appeal to the audience of people who enjoy Nintendo's offerings. Something like GTA doesn't help Nintendo because the type of people who like that game don't have a strong interest in the type of games Nintendo offers and the type of people who enjoy the games Nintendo offers typically don't like games such as GTA & Co.



When the herd loses its way, the shepard must kill the bull that leads them astray.

midrange said:
The_Yoda said:
midrange said:
 


That ... Is a pretty sad list.

monster hunter 4 ultimate is the only worthwhile third party title.

How the hell can you say that when the list has The Peanuts Movie: Snoopy's Grand Adventure in it...? Are you for real or am  missing some kind of inside joke?

My bad, I was so invested in The GOTY: Kung Fu Panda: Showdown of Legendary Legends that I assumed everything else was bad

Ur right, nobody should invest in games made for kids, the gaming market should be exclusively for 13-30 year old males. Plus I like that u guys singled out those games and ignored fun/quality titles like Etrian Mystery Dungeon, Citizens of Earth, Affordable Space Adventures, Freedom Planet, Legend of Legacy, Story of Seasons.



When the herd loses its way, the shepard must kill the bull that leads them astray.

zorg1000 said:
potato_hamster said:
zorg1000 said:
potato_hamster said:
ITT; People who are going to buy the NX regardless of how much it costs, its features or its library. Hardcore Nintendo fans are indeed hardcore. Their numbers do keep getting smaller and smaller and smaller with every generation. I hope none of you folks are expecting third party support if this NX actually has two + form factors that must be developed for.


<>

This is an incomplete list of 3rd party titles for 3DS/Wii U this year and likely a similar type of lineup we can expect for NX if it's a unified setup, niche Japanese titles, kid/family friendly western titles, and indie titles. That plus having all Nintendo published titles in a single ecosystem gives the devices a consistent stream of new releases.

OHH MY GOD YOU'RE TOTALLY RIGHT! SO MANY SYSTEM SELLERS! WII Us MUST BE FLYING OFF THE SHELVES! HOW CAN NINTENDO KEEP UP WITH DEMAND!?!

Give me a break. That's a pretty poor list of decent third party games, with only a handful that the average person would even recognize. Almost all of those games are made on shoestring  budgets where their business model is to get on as many platforms as cheaply and quickly as possible. If this is the support the NX can expect it's already a failure.


Those games are divided among 2 separate devices so no Wii U is not flying off of shelves because of them because it only has a fraction of them. That's ONE of the major problems for Wii U & 3DS, they each have holes in their lineups that cause droughts and are missing key games found on the other. They have other issues that need to be addressed as well.

But like always, Nintendo's 1st/2nd party titles will be the main attraction, and no that does not simply mean more of the same since Wii U does not get a lot of the titles 3DS gets like Kid Icarus, Pokémon, Tomodachi Life, Animal Crossing, Luigi's Mansion, etc and 3DS does not get a lot of the Wii U titles like Pikmin, Splatoon, Mario Maker. Nintendo is shooting themselves in the foot by not offering all their games on both devices, it's hurts software sales by having games exclusive to only a percentage of their audience and it hurts hardware sales because each individual device has a less appealing lineup they potentially could.

Then u also have the added benefit of less redundant titles, Mario Kart team no longer needs to release 2 separate Mario Kart titles for 2 separate platforms, they can make 1 and support it with DLC then move onto a new IP. Nintendo has a lot of success when they invest heavily in new IP/new ideas something they haven't been able to do a lot of this generation due to having to make entries of all their big franchises twice. We have seen some successes like Tomodachi & Splatoon but they are too few and far between along with being too little, too late in Wii U's case.

3rd parties are and always have been supplementary to Nintendo's own offerings even on their massively popular devices like NES/GB/DS/Wii. People talk about games like Mega Man, CastleVania, Contra, Ninja Gaiden as important titles for NES but the only 3rd party games to sell over 2 million on NES were Ninja Turtles and Dragon Quest, they are also the only 3rd party titles to crack the top 20 for NES. If u look at GB/DS/Wii software sales then u will see a very similar situation where the majority of big sellers and top games are Nintendo IP. 3rd parties are primarily support titles when it comes to Nintendo, it's always been this way and always will be.

So yes these are the type of 3rd party games Nintendo needs, niche Japanese titles, kid/family friendly titles, unique indie titles, games that appeal to the audience of people who enjoy Nintendo's offerings. Something like GTA doesn't help Nintendo because the type of people who like that game don't have a strong interest in the type of games Nintendo offers and the type of people who enjoy the games Nintendo offers typically don't like games such as GTA & Co.

Ohh, okay, these throwaway games that no one cares about are exactly what Nintendo needs. For sure. That must have been why the Wii sold so well - all that shovelware that made the Wii a must-buy! The problem is that the people that buy Nintendo consoles to play Nintendo games - those numbers are shrinking. You, and the rest of Nintendo fans? You're buying whatever hardware, and most of the games Nintendo puts out. You're the only people that bought a Wii U. 

Honest question: Why did the Wii U sell worst than the Gamecube? If anything the Wii U is more desirable of a console, yet it's sold less than half the Gamecube did in the same time frame, and it has better third party support.

Another honest question: Do you think the NX platform as a whole will sell more or less than than the Wii U and 3DS combined? Personally I see it selling less, because I believe there is a significant amount of people that bought the Wii U and 3DS that will just buy one now.



midrange said:
zorg1000 said:
midrange said:


That ... Is a pretty sad list.

monster hunter 4 ultimate is the only worthwhile third party title.


I see a lot of fun and quality titles, it doesn't have the big AAA western titles but those don't sell well on Nintendo platforms even when they do get them so they shouldn't be a priority for Nintendo.

Let's assume there are some quality titles. I would be willing to bet that that a game like fallout or cod or battlefront would outsell all of those games combined. Why is this important? It shows that Nintendo shouldn't really on just indies and TV/movie related games

Well Bethesda has never supported Nintendo and the audience for their games is firmly on PS/XB/PC so I'm guessing even if Wii U or NX had Fallout on it, the game would fail horribly. Call of Duty appeared twice on Gamecube and did horrible both times, twice on Wii U and did horribly both times, the series did OK on Wii but was still a fraction of the sales on PS/XB so I'm assuming if NX gets Call of Duty it won't sell well or move hardware.

Simply having these games does nothing for Nintendo because the audience is elsewhere and have no incentive to move to Nintendo devices. Focus on games that can and have been successful on Nintendo devices like Japanese titles, kid/family titles, indie titles, games that appeal to people who enjoy the type of games Nintendo offers.



When the herd loses its way, the shepard must kill the bull that leads them astray.