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potato_hamster on 21 October 2015
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zorg1000 said:
potato_hamster said:
zorg1000 said:
potato_hamster said:
ITT; People who are going to buy the NX regardless of how much it costs, its features or its library. Hardcore Nintendo fans are indeed hardcore. Their numbers do keep getting smaller and smaller and smaller with every generation. I hope none of you folks are expecting third party support if this NX actually has two + form factors that must be developed for.


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This is an incomplete list of 3rd party titles for 3DS/Wii U this year and likely a similar type of lineup we can expect for NX if it's a unified setup, niche Japanese titles, kid/family friendly western titles, and indie titles. That plus having all Nintendo published titles in a single ecosystem gives the devices a consistent stream of new releases.

OHH MY GOD YOU'RE TOTALLY RIGHT! SO MANY SYSTEM SELLERS! WII Us MUST BE FLYING OFF THE SHELVES! HOW CAN NINTENDO KEEP UP WITH DEMAND!?!

Give me a break. That's a pretty poor list of decent third party games, with only a handful that the average person would even recognize. Almost all of those games are made on shoestring  budgets where their business model is to get on as many platforms as cheaply and quickly as possible. If this is the support the NX can expect it's already a failure.


Those games are divided among 2 separate devices so no Wii U is not flying off of shelves because of them because it only has a fraction of them. That's ONE of the major problems for Wii U & 3DS, they each have holes in their lineups that cause droughts and are missing key games found on the other. They have other issues that need to be addressed as well.

But like always, Nintendo's 1st/2nd party titles will be the main attraction, and no that does not simply mean more of the same since Wii U does not get a lot of the titles 3DS gets like Kid Icarus, Pokémon, Tomodachi Life, Animal Crossing, Luigi's Mansion, etc and 3DS does not get a lot of the Wii U titles like Pikmin, Splatoon, Mario Maker. Nintendo is shooting themselves in the foot by not offering all their games on both devices, it's hurts software sales by having games exclusive to only a percentage of their audience and it hurts hardware sales because each individual device has a less appealing lineup they potentially could.

Then u also have the added benefit of less redundant titles, Mario Kart team no longer needs to release 2 separate Mario Kart titles for 2 separate platforms, they can make 1 and support it with DLC then move onto a new IP. Nintendo has a lot of success when they invest heavily in new IP/new ideas something they haven't been able to do a lot of this generation due to having to make entries of all their big franchises twice. We have seen some successes like Tomodachi & Splatoon but they are too few and far between along with being too little, too late in Wii U's case.

3rd parties are and always have been supplementary to Nintendo's own offerings even on their massively popular devices like NES/GB/DS/Wii. People talk about games like Mega Man, CastleVania, Contra, Ninja Gaiden as important titles for NES but the only 3rd party games to sell over 2 million on NES were Ninja Turtles and Dragon Quest, they are also the only 3rd party titles to crack the top 20 for NES. If u look at GB/DS/Wii software sales then u will see a very similar situation where the majority of big sellers and top games are Nintendo IP. 3rd parties are primarily support titles when it comes to Nintendo, it's always been this way and always will be.

So yes these are the type of 3rd party games Nintendo needs, niche Japanese titles, kid/family friendly titles, unique indie titles, games that appeal to the audience of people who enjoy Nintendo's offerings. Something like GTA doesn't help Nintendo because the type of people who like that game don't have a strong interest in the type of games Nintendo offers and the type of people who enjoy the games Nintendo offers typically don't like games such as GTA & Co.

Ohh, okay, these throwaway games that no one cares about are exactly what Nintendo needs. For sure. That must have been why the Wii sold so well - all that shovelware that made the Wii a must-buy! The problem is that the people that buy Nintendo consoles to play Nintendo games - those numbers are shrinking. You, and the rest of Nintendo fans? You're buying whatever hardware, and most of the games Nintendo puts out. You're the only people that bought a Wii U. 

Honest question: Why did the Wii U sell worst than the Gamecube? If anything the Wii U is more desirable of a console, yet it's sold less than half the Gamecube did in the same time frame, and it has better third party support.

Another honest question: Do you think the NX platform as a whole will sell more or less than than the Wii U and 3DS combined? Personally I see it selling less, because I believe there is a significant amount of people that bought the Wii U and 3DS that will just buy one now.