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ohmylanta1003 on 13 October 2015
DivinePaladin said:
ohmylanta1003 said:


I'd totally be okay with that. The disadvantage would be so small and the splitscreen players have an advantage because they can communicate and coordinate with one another easier.

It's also likely because the game would have to be entirely reworked to run in split screen, having both characters in different places, which would probably be too rough for most players' Internet to run. Old 360 games got away with it because the maps were tiny by comparison. But there's a reason these games don't do it as a whole anymore: not enough people play this way to make it worth the effort put in. Why reprogram the online in a way that may not even work for what's likely less than 5% of players to use it SOMETIMES? You act like it's a baffling decision but it's baffling why any shooter dev WOULD do it. Though Halo 5 having no split screen at all for the Co-op did still bug me quite a bit because that's not exactly a strain on the bandwidth nearly as much as full online split screen would be. 

 

I'm sort of grateful this game has it at all because this will be the only casual shooter this gen (from beginning to the eventual end) that does this, I promise you. 


Well...for one, you made up a statistic (5%), so we actually have no idea what that is. Because we don't know this, we can't really judge whether or not this is a baffling decision. However, taking options away from the players is always a bad thing. To deny this is stupid and I think it's odd that you would say it's baffling that a developer would give the gamers more options just because it requires a little bit of effort on their part. I'm certain it can't be that difficult to "rework" the game (if they even have to do that) and just because most people on VGChartz enjoy singleplayer experiences doesn't mean that a large percentage of people don't enjoy multiplayer and playing with their friends on a couch. And I'd like to make a bet with you on that last statement.



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JoeTheBro on 13 October 2015
Ali_16x said:
ohmylanta1003 said:
Goddamnet. I'm really sick of this. What would be the reasoning for not offering splitscreen online?


It's 100% because it runs at 30fps when at split screen so that would give split screen users a disadvantage against 60fps players.


No that's probably less than 10% of it...

This is Battlefront, not a competetive esports game. Plus halving the screen space and doubling the upload bandwith have far worse competetive drawbacks than 30fps here.

 

It's missing because Dice/EA didn't think it was worth the effort. Splitscreen was added to the offline mode so that they could attract more offline players to buy the game. Patching it into the other modes is possible, but it'd be a lot of work. I doubt they'd bother unless there was a large backlash.



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DivinePaladin on 13 October 2015
ohmylanta1003 said:
DivinePaladin said:

It's also likely because the game would have to be entirely reworked to run in split screen, having both characters in different places, which would probably be too rough for most players' Internet to run. Old 360 games got away with it because the maps were tiny by comparison. But there's a reason these games don't do it as a whole anymore: not enough people play this way to make it worth the effort put in. Why reprogram the online in a way that may not even work for what's likely less than 5% of players to use it SOMETIMES? You act like it's a baffling decision but it's baffling why any shooter dev WOULD do it. Though Halo 5 having no split screen at all for the Co-op did still bug me quite a bit because that's not exactly a strain on the bandwidth nearly as much as full online split screen would be. 

 

I'm sort of grateful this game has it at all because this will be the only casual shooter this gen (from beginning to the eventual end) that does this, I promise you. 


Well...for one, you made up a statistic (5%), so we actually have no idea what that is. Because we don't know this, we can't really judge whether or not this is a baffling decision. However, taking options away from the players is always a bad thing. To deny this is stupid and I think it's odd that you would say it's baffling that a developer would give the gamers more options just because it requires a little bit of effort on their part. I'm certain it can't be that difficult to "rework" the game (if they even have to do that) and just because most people on VGChartz enjoy singleplayer experiences doesn't mean that a large percentage of people don't enjoy multiplayer and playing with their friends on a couch. And I'd like to make a bet with you on that last statement.

If you read my post before replying bud, you'd see the word "likely." If Microsoft took out the most Halo part of Halo 5 because not enough players use it anymore, then it's likely that not enough players use it. Is it 5%? No, it's probably less. I doubt any more than 500k players (of what will probably be 10m lifetime sales) would use splitscreen online more than once or twice to test it out. I'd be surprised if more than 10% of the BF install base will even have two controllers! Again, are there solid numbers? No, and there never will be, but I'm not arguing on numbers, I'm arguing on logic and using my background in game design and technology.

 

It's entirely unreasonable to expect them to be able to compromise a good amount of the game just to TRY and make it work, with no guarantees it even can work well enough to ship with the game. It's a gamble when you have to cut the framerate, probably cut the resolution, and even then HOPE your players have enough bandwidth available to render the entire game twice, from two different angles. The game's already pretty laggy as it is - given, it's a beta, so that's understandable. 

 

As for the bet, do you genuinely believe any other series is gonna do any sort of split screen, let alone online? I have my doubts that Battlefront 2 will even have offline split screen when it comes out in about two years. Splat2n probably won't have online split screen, not that that's 8th gen, Halo 6 won't, CoD had it like once, Battlefield MIGHT add it just because they have the engine coded for it already. Destiny doesn't and won't addit. Horizon, if we're calling that casual, won't based on how that game seems to work. And that's the entire market of casual FPS right there for you. Far Cry won't, if that's gonna be considered casual too. Only other casual shooter that might is Gears of War 4. There's not gonna be some uprising of a new big FPS series outside of Horizon either, because the market is full as it is. The best hope we'd have for online split screen is Resistance but Sony torched that ship long ago and the only developer crazy/awesome enough to do it is Insomniac. 



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sethnintendo on 13 October 2015

Didn't they barely get their online working last few games? Perhaps they should focus on getting it to work for 1 person before trying two.



DivinePaladin on 13 October 2015
sethnintendo said:
Didn't they barely get their online working last few games? Perhaps they should focus on getting it to work for 1 person before trying two.

I don't know if Hardline had any problems (did anybody actually "follow" Hardline? Lol) but 4 was an absolute mess for months. Battlefront, going by the beta, seems like it runs like most of the pre-4 Battlefields, which means it has problems but it's mostly solid.



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ohmylanta1003 on 13 October 2015
DivinePaladin said:
ohmylanta1003 said:


Well...for one, you made up a statistic (5%), so we actually have no idea what that is. Because we don't know this, we can't really judge whether or not this is a baffling decision. However, taking options away from the players is always a bad thing. To deny this is stupid and I think it's odd that you would say it's baffling that a developer would give the gamers more options just because it requires a little bit of effort on their part. I'm certain it can't be that difficult to "rework" the game (if they even have to do that) and just because most people on VGChartz enjoy singleplayer experiences doesn't mean that a large percentage of people don't enjoy multiplayer and playing with their friends on a couch. And I'd like to make a bet with you on that last statement.

If you read my post before replying bud, you'd see the word "likely." If Microsoft took out the most Halo part of Halo 5 because not enough players use it anymore, then it's likely that not enough players use it. Is it 5%? No, it's probably less. I doubt any more than 500k players (of what will probably be 10m lifetime sales) would use splitscreen online more than once or twice to test it out. I'd be surprised if more than 10% of the BF install base will even have two controllers! Again, are there solid numbers? No, and there never will be, but I'm not arguing on numbers, I'm arguing on logic and using my background in game design and technology.

 

It's entirely unreasonable to expect them to be able to compromise a good amount of the game just to TRY and make it work, with no guarantees it even can work well enough to ship with the game. It's a gamble when you have to cut the framerate, probably cut the resolution, and even then HOPE your players have enough bandwidth available to render the entire game twice, from two different angles. The game's already pretty laggy as it is - given, it's a beta, so that's understandable. 

 

As for the bet, do you genuinely believe any other series is gonna do any sort of split screen, let alone online? I have my doubts that Battlefront 2 will even have offline split screen when it comes out in about two years. Splat2n probably won't have online split screen, not that that's 8th gen, Halo 6 won't, CoD had it like once, Battlefield MIGHT add it just because they have the engine coded for it already. Destiny doesn't and won't addit. Horizon, if we're calling that casual, won't based on how that game seems to work. And that's the entire market of casual FPS right there for you. Far Cry won't, if that's gonna be considered casual too. Only other casual shooter that might is Gears of War 4. There's not gonna be some uprising of a new big FPS series outside of Horizon either, because the market is full as it is. The best hope we'd have for online split screen is Resistance but Sony torched that ship long ago and the only developer crazy/awesome enough to do it is Insomniac. 


Please don't imply that I didn't read your post. It's fairly obvious from my response that I did, so there's no reason to even address that in your response. Can I not respond to your post simply because you put the word "likely" in front of it? That seems kind of odd. Also, stop making up numbers. You have no idea what these numbers are and your guesses aren't even based off of anything. Therefore, I'm not even going to talk about that part of your post.

Resolution would likely not have to be lowered and lowering the frame rate is something that's been done in the past. As for the laginess you're experiencing, I've heard nothing but glowing reviews about the beta in terms of connection. It's not laggy. That's you bruh.

As for the bet, I don't have to read your explanation as to why you don't think any game will have splitscreen to know that I would still like to take the bet. Are we talking about any splitscreen then? If so, I'd love to take the bet. Should be an easy one for you considering how confident you are.



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rolltide101x on 13 October 2015
ohmylanta1003 said:
 

Please don't imply that I didn't read your post. It's fairly obvious from my response that I did, so there's no reason to even address that in your response. Can I not respond to your post simply because you put the word "likely" in front of it? That seems kind of odd. Also, stop making up numbers. You have no idea what these numbers are and your guesses aren't even based off of anything. Therefore, I'm not even going to talk about that part of your post.

Resolution would likely not have to be lowered and lowering the frame rate is something that's been done in the past. As for the laginess you're experiencing, I've heard nothing but glowing reviews about the beta in terms of connection. It's not laggy. That's you bruh.

As for the bet, I don't have to read your explanation as to why you don't think any game will have splitscreen to know that I would still like to take the bet. Are we talking about any splitscreen then? If so, I'd love to take the bet. Should be an easy one for you considering how confident you are.

Dude, splitscreen is pretty much dead and is not worth the effort. Do like me and my GF do when we want to play together. 2 PS4s, 2 TVs, and the digitial version of the game.

Will take that over playing a gimped splitscreen any day



rolltide101x on 13 October 2015
Ka-pi96 said:
rolltide101x said:
 

Dude, splitscreen is pretty much dead and is not worth the effort. Do like me and my GF do when we want to play together. 2 PS4s, 2 TVs, and the digitial version of the game.

Will take that over playing a gimped splitscreen any day

Not everyone has the money/space to buy a second TV and a second console...

Solve that issue or do not gripe. Split screen is dying for a reason.... Split Screen in some games is fine but Split Screen in a modern FPS......



DivinePaladin on 13 October 2015
ohmylanta1003 said:
DivinePaladin said:

If you read my post before replying bud, you'd see the word "likely." If Microsoft took out the most Halo part of Halo 5 because not enough players use it anymore, then it's likely that not enough players use it. Is it 5%? No, it's probably less. I doubt any more than 500k players (of what will probably be 10m lifetime sales) would use splitscreen online more than once or twice to test it out. I'd be surprised if more than 10% of the BF install base will even have two controllers! Again, are there solid numbers? No, and there never will be, but I'm not arguing on numbers, I'm arguing on logic and using my background in game design and technology.

 

It's entirely unreasonable to expect them to be able to compromise a good amount of the game just to TRY and make it work, with no guarantees it even can work well enough to ship with the game. It's a gamble when you have to cut the framerate, probably cut the resolution, and even then HOPE your players have enough bandwidth available to render the entire game twice, from two different angles. The game's already pretty laggy as it is - given, it's a beta, so that's understandable. 

 

As for the bet, do you genuinely believe any other series is gonna do any sort of split screen, let alone online? I have my doubts that Battlefront 2 will even have offline split screen when it comes out in about two years. Splat2n probably won't have online split screen, not that that's 8th gen, Halo 6 won't, CoD had it like once, Battlefield MIGHT add it just because they have the engine coded for it already. Destiny doesn't and won't addit. Horizon, if we're calling that casual, won't based on how that game seems to work. And that's the entire market of casual FPS right there for you. Far Cry won't, if that's gonna be considered casual too. Only other casual shooter that might is Gears of War 4. There's not gonna be some uprising of a new big FPS series outside of Horizon either, because the market is full as it is. The best hope we'd have for online split screen is Resistance but Sony torched that ship long ago and the only developer crazy/awesome enough to do it is Insomniac. 


Please don't imply that I didn't read your post. It's fairly obvious from my response that I did, so there's no reason to even address that in your response. Can I not respond to your post simply because you put the word "likely" in front of it? That seems kind of odd. Also, stop making up numbers. You have no idea what these numbers are and your guesses aren't even based off of anything. Therefore, I'm not even going to talk about that part of your post.

Resolution would likely not have to be lowered and lowering the frame rate is something that's been done in the past. As for the laginess you're experiencing, I've heard nothing but glowing reviews about the beta in terms of connection. It's not laggy. That's you bruh.

As for the bet, I don't have to read your explanation as to why you don't think any game will have splitscreen to know that I would still like to take the bet. Are we talking about any splitscreen then? If so, I'd love to take the bet. Should be an easy one for you considering how confident you are.

Theorizing isn't making up numbers. I'm, again, if you fully read through everything, theorizing, and not considering these numbers fact in any way. This is on a forum based around making up numbers, mind you, so it's not like I'm some sort of outlier. 

 

They'd have to down-res the assets to accommodate doubling what's being rendered , from two different viewpoints. There's no way the console can run two full FPSes as you want it to without being insanely optimized. Like end of gen optimized. Again, if Microsoft took it out, when that was one of Halo's defining features, what makes you think anybody else is gonna do it? Genuinely, real question, what makes you think this?

 

And lastly, yet again, if you were fully reading my post, you'd have noted "casual shooter." I don't have a doubt that like two or three other games are gonna have splitscreen, but I can't name another FPS outside of the Battlefront series that will have any sort of splitscreen. Again, I legitimately want to hear your reasoning on why you think any of the other big name shooters are going to have it, or why you think a new shooter is gonna come along for casual gamers that has it. 



You should check out my YouTube channel, The Golden Bolt!  I review all types of video games, both classic and modern, and I also give short flyover reviews of the free games each month on PlayStation Plus to tell you if they're worth downloading.  After all, the games may be free, but your time is valuable!

rolltide101x on 13 October 2015
Ka-pi96 said:
 

Nice attitude there. You're basically saying do whatever it takes to do things your way or fuck off.

Nope, I am saying people are way to entitled. A VERY small percentage of gamers would actually play splitscreen, it is not worth taking away from other parts of the game.

 

So either buy a 2nd PS4 or do not gripe about it (or other platform)