That's not how the saying goes.  It actually makes an ass out of both of us. 

It's not far-fetched, and I don't really care about the delay.  I've only pointed out that the UCC was never a 'replacement' for UC4.  That's been my point this entire time.  It was merely to build hype for UC4's launch, while giving those who never owned a PS3 a chance to play the Uncharted games, prior to UC4's launch, thus increasing said hype.

As far as sales, likewise with MCC, I never expected UCC to set the charts aflame.  That's just me, personally.  Others may have had different predictions, but I never thought either game would sell on the same level as a new title launch.

I've never seen that happen though. Has a remastered collection ever come out a month before the new game in a series? That seems like massive overkill.

PS4 domination, and good figures for Uncharted collection.  Go Sony Go :)

When I saw the uncharted collection in second place. I knew this thread would make for an interesting read. I wasn't disappointed.

OP: I'm dissapointed to say the least.

Considering we're seeing a great deal of remasters this gen, unlike previous gens, I would expect you'd be used to seeing new things, at this point.  May seem like massive overkill, but it doesn't really appear to be mattering.  Sony's basically printing money w/ the PS4, and have yet to do any serious 'wrong' this gen.  People who want to play the collection, will buy the collection.  People who don't, won't, and there are plenty of 1st party titles from earlier in the year, plus major 3rd party releases this holiday to cater to any new buyer.

Which is a point I think you're not really paying attention to either.  The holiday season is really for new hardware buyers (it's when the best hardware deals are available).  These new buyers, have an entire years worth of titles to pick and choose from.  Families will undoubtedly know the hype/desire for Star Wars/Fallout etc..., so those bundles will be popular, and then additional software will flesh out the holiday purchase.  I also think that given most of these titles have already reached profitability (the stuff released earlier in the year), that it's easier for them to discount those titles to make them more attractive, rather than discounting brand new releases.

TLOUR had a lot more going for it than NDC.

#1. TLOU (PS3 only) sold more than any Uncharted game, and in a shorter timespan at that.

#2. Was a very critically acclaimed game that released right at the end of the generation. It makes sense that interest for it would be high at the beggining of this generation.

#3. TLOU was 1 year old, NDC is a collection of 8-4 year old games. Age matters.

But if you expected that, fair enough.

Yeah well I was talking about Super Mario Maker.

You say there's plenty of 1st party titles earlier this year but what if someone doesn't like Souls games? Or wants more than a 7 hour campaign? What's left? God of War III Remastered and Tearaway?

Yes new people buy hardware in the holiday but it shouldn't disregard the people who might have already played and traded those games. I don't really see Holiday as the "Buy old games" season but the "Big AAA game release" season. While the older games are usually an afterthough. 

Well, I don't know about you, but when a device doesn't have games I don't enjoy, I don't buy said device.  It's a pretty simple way for consumers to vote with their wallets.  And, if current sales are anything to go by, it's not Sony who has to worry about anything.  It's their competition.   And I use that term generously, since 'competition' insitinuates a fair fight.  And this isn't meant to 'nettle' you or anything, but the fact is, Sony's only real competition right now is themselves, and ensuring YoY sales are up. 

Sorry to intervene, this is too short-sighted and illogical to ignore.

Firstly, you assume everyone buys a particular bundle just because they want the game it comes with it. Simply not true, there's a plethora of reasons why someone would purchase a bundle including a game that they did not intend to buy otherwise and I won't waste my life listing them.

You're also saying bundled games have no sales advantage over non-bundled games. In the case of the NDC bundle, so being advertised on prime time TV and the game being exposed to every potential PS4 customer looking to buy the console doesn't increase the odds of people purchasing the game that they otherwise wouldn't have bundled or not? There's no denying it.

Sure, people could choose another bundle, that makes no difference since ALL bundled games benefit to some degree. Most of the time people choose a bundle based purely on its perceived value and so obviously getting the PS4 with 3 acclaimed games for the same price as a PS4 with 1 or 2 games is a good deal.

I'm not sure why people have issues with admitting bundling helps games sell more than they would have otherwise. I guess that's why I don't like getting into debates with hardcore gamers on internet forums.