On a weird side note, why are the Tabloids in Canada running stories like:
Obama - His secret terrorist best friend!
Obama wants me dead for talking about our relationship! Gay rumours arise

Both are true covers I have seen, and I understand that politics is full of smear campaigns that are absolutely pathetic, but why the hell are they printing them in Canada as well?

@rath

your scenario #4 is VERY naive. why do you think that criminal is carrying a gun? so that his sentence is automatically uped for using a firearm to commit a felony? or maybe it has something to do with the motto "leave no witnesses" and he was just hoping that no one was home. or maybe he is drugged out of his mind and isnt even considering long term ramifications of his actions and it that case he wouldnt hesitate at all to put a bullet in your skull then rape your wife then put a bullet in her head as well. thats hell, why risk hell?

those scenarios too likely to leave it to the "smile & be real polite to the guy pointing a gun at me" strategy. I'm going with the own a handgun and KNOW how to responsibily and effictively use it.

luinil said: I found the link. this is it: http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=55288 and 25 years after the passing of that law, there are no murders in that small town.

 Actually, that's not *quite* true.

http://www.11alive.com/news/article_news.aspx?storyid=83681

Lauren Cooper's parents were worried about her. They hadn't heard from her. They couldn't reach her, so they decided to go to her apartment at the Villas of Kennesaw and check on her at Sunday night around 7 p.m.

When they entered her apartment, they found her body and called 911. Also in the apartment, the body of 31-year-old Kendrick Ledet of Smyrna.

Police say Ledet and Cooper were former co-workers and had a relationship of some kind but would not elaborate. They say Ledet was likely at Cooper's apartment since Friday or Saturday and that there was no sign of forced entry.

However at some point, police say he raped Cooper, a Kennesaw State University student, and strangled her to death. A few hours later they say he killed himself by cutting the veins in his arms, bleeding to death.

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However, it wasn't a gun related murder or suicide.  Perhaps he didn't want to ruin the town's record.

 Or else the Villas of Kennesaw are not in Kennesaw.  But then...

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 http://www.11alive.com/news/article_news.aspx?storyid=107022

The Kennesaw Police department is investigating what appears to be a murder-suicide that happened Sunday evening in Kennesaw. While that much is known, there are still questions that remain unanswered.

Sunday night, crime scene tape surrounded a home in the quiet English Oaks Subdivision off Jiles Road. Investigators came and went from the two-story stone and siding house that, until six months ago, was in foreclosure.

Neighbors said that's when a nice woman from Jamaica moved in with her boyfriend. They were friendly, but not seen often, except when she was working on the yard.

Kennesaw Police say around 4 p.m. Sunday the 39-year-old boyfriend called 911 saying he'd shot and killed his girlfriend and was going to kill himself. When police arrived at the home they found her dead. He barely had a pulse. He later died at the hospital.

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Perhaps, it doesn't count because...  no, that won't work. 

Ummm...  Luinil, I'm going to need your help in explaining this one away.

 

 

@fuzzmosis: My best guess would be how he handled the NAFTA thing. He said he wants it gone, or re-negotiated or something to people in Ohio, then one of his lead staffers tells the Canadian Ambassador (or something like that) that he is just saying that to pander to the voters, he won't really change NAFTA after he is elected. That is my best guess.

Myth: Handguns are 43 times more likely to kill a family member than a criminal

Fact: Of the 43 deaths reported in this flawed study, 37 (86%) were suicides. Other deaths involved criminal activity between the family members (drug deals gone bad).98

Fact: Of the remaining deaths, the deceased family members include felons, drug dealers, violent spouses committing assault, and other criminals.99

Fact: Only 0.1% (1 in a thousand) of the defensive uses of guns results in the death of the predator.100 This means you are much more likely to prevent a crime without bloodshed than hurt a family member.

http://gunfacts.info/

I'm just curious people here own/have shot a firearm in their life. I shoot yearly now at the CMP (Civilian Marksmanship Program) National Rifle Matches in Ohio. Shooting is a way for me and my dad to connect, it's something we do together.

My view on the Supreme Court looking at this: they shouldn't. Thats what I think. There's obviously a reason why this isn't looked at very often.

Let's look at it this way: if firearms are outlawed for the average joe, it wont stop a criminal getting one from the black market. Gun related crime would go down, but thats it.

And another thought if guns are outlawed. School shootings. They are terrible, terrible things committed by losers. So whats to stop a messed up kid from going on the net and finding a way to make a small pipe bomb and strapping it to themselves and blowing themselves up? Heck, a kid could just jump in a car and start driving all over campus in the morning or when school lets out and run over kids.

Guns for self defense do work. A man tried to break in my house when my mom was pregnant with me and she pulled out a revolver, the burglar saw it, and ran off. He got captured later on and it turned out this guy was a convicted rapist. I'm damn proud my mom was able to pull out a revolver and threaten the man away with it.

The U.S. is a gun culture and the consequences with being that culture are evident, but it's something I can live with.

dgm6780 said: @rath your scenario #4 is VERY naive. why do you think that criminal is carrying a gun? so that his sentence is automatically uped for using a firearm to commit a felony? or maybe it has something to do with the motto "leave no witnesses" and he was just hoping that no one was home. or maybe he is drugged out of his mind and isnt even considering long term ramifications of his actions and it that case he wouldnt hesitate at all to put a bullet in your skull then rape your wife then put a bullet in her head as well. thats hell, why risk hell? those scenarios too likely to leave it to the "smile & be real polite to the guy pointing a gun at me" strategy. I'm going with the own a handgun and KNOW how to responsibily and effictively use it.

 I'm willing to let you keep a handgun as long as you don't drink any alcohol, do any drugs or take any other mind-altering substance, no emotional mood swings, (ever felt road rage?), no criminal record, no history of family mental illness.

Oh, and be willing to go bird hunting with Dick Cheney.  If you don't shoot him when he accidentially shoots you, I guess I can trust you with a gun.  Or the other hand...  Well, it's a win-win situation, now isn't it?

 

 

You know renar, With only one gun related murder in Kennesaw in those 25 years, and by a person who recently moved in I might add, that is impeccable.

Now for the Dick Cheney comment... why do people like you attack people you don't like on a personal basis... It isn't like they did anything to harm you personally. sheesh learn a little common decency and respect for your elders and leaders. You can disagree with them, but do so in the proper ways.

Obama's speech is definitely more important because he's going to be the next president and.. thus far, has done everything possible to avoid declarations on this divisive issue.

The Supreme Court's willingness to take on a Second Amendment case is pretty important, too although I'm much more interested in the FCC obscenity case.

 

luinil said: You know renar, With only one gun related murder in Kennesaw in those 25 years, and by a person who recently moved in I might add, that is impeccable. Now for the Dick Cheney comment... why do people like you attack people you don't like on a personal basis... It isn't like they did anything to harm you personally. sheesh learn a little common decency and respect for your elders and leaders. You can disagree with them, but do so in the proper ways.

Just a bit of truth in advertising as such.  4 killings in the past 2 years does not equal murder free as the original article boasted.  

As for the political humor about Dick Cheney, I don't see that it was any worse than what most comedians have said about that incident.  I extremely doubt that schattenwolf86 would do anything of that nature.  Unless of course, he is a liberal, and as you people like to say, therefore has a mental disorder.

 

(And no, schattenwolf86, even if you ARE a liberal, I don't think you have a mental disorder)