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Shadow1980 said:

Whether or not they announce a price cut for this year depends on a couple of factors. For one, will the XBO remain profitable at $300? If not, then will MS value profitability over potentially winning just months in a single market? And let's not forget that the PS4's price cut will have a stimulative effect on sales, plus there's aggressive bundling and marketing exclusives with perhaps the two biggest multiplatform titles of the quarter (Black Ops 3 and Battlefront). The PS4 had nothing really to stimulate sales in Q4 last year, which gave the cheaper XBO an opening to exploit. But that's not the case this time around. PS4 sales are almost certainly going to see a big YoY increase. If my projections are right, then the XBO will need to see November & December up YoY, but let's not also forget considering that the same period last year was abnormally huge for the XBO relative to its performance earlier in the year. Despite a very average performance over the first ten months of its first full year, it actually had one of the best second holidays (or first holiday of the first full year) of any system released in the past 20 years. In fact, why don't I just illustrate it with a chart?



There's no reason to expect such a huge jump yet again, especially with Sony actually putting in some effort this holiday season. If either A) the XBO would be profitable at $300 or B) MS is really desperate to win this holiday season in the U.S. at all costs, then we might see a $50 price cut within the next month. Otherwise, I think they'll take their chances at price parity, because winning the holidays last year was ultimately a largely Pyrrhic victory that did not guarantee victory or even great success in the longer run.

As the past year has shown us, while having a $50 price advantage helped during the holidays, after the holidays the XBO struggled to narrow the gap between itself and the PS4. Despite being the more expensive system, the PS4 still managed to sell 18.8% more units in the U.S. in 2014 as of August. Compared to it's own performance in 2014, the XBO has had mixed results. Q1 this year was down YoY, and while Q2 was up that was against a rather mediocre Q2 '14. Q3 may be up only 10-15% at most. Overall, we're going to see very modest YoY growth through the first three quarters. Also, just to stay flat YoY for the whole year it'd have to sell at least 2.4M units in Q4 alone, which is only about 300k less than what it pulled in Q4 last year. Without a price cut this holiday the XBO is almost certainly going to be down for the current quarter and perhaps also down overall for the year, but even with a price cut it may see only modest YoY growth and still fail to beat the PS4 since Sony is actually trying this time, and then end up in the same spot in the new year, trailing the PS4 despite having a lower cost.

Personally, I think MS will probably launch a cheaper-to-make XBO Slim some time in the latter half of next year and retail it for $250 to $300. The 360 saw its only substantial period of growth after the "S" model came out in 2010, so they may take a slight loss in unit sales this holiday but make it up next year and into 2017 with an XBO Slim. That would probably make better financial sense than getting a decent two-month boost and only a marginal increase after that while potentially losing money, all for the sake of possibly being #1 for the holidays.

There will be some number crunching going on. All the US gamers are one big pie, the bigger the slice MS can get, the more gamers they have spending money on their platform on software and Xbox Live Gold. If they let Sony gobble up all the pie, the less gamers they have spending money on their platform.

If they want to make the most profit out of the X1 then they have to be competitive against they PS4. It might mean losing money per unit but if that means they have more gamers spending money on them, it could be worth it. Basically they have to find the balance on money lost with a price drop versus the extra install base that will bring them in more money. Then you have to factor in the sooner they bring in the gamers, the more years they will have of them spending money on games and XBLG.



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jason1637 said:
Next month we will see xbox ones at $320 with an extra game while halo bundle with the mcc for maybe $350-400. I think there gonna just ride this month out with Halo.

You could be right. Halo is big enough to manage it.



d21lewis said:
I just wish this thread was still open:http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=208277&page=1

LOL.

Anyway, I'm sure it's no fluke the Sony cut came right as Spencer talked about it. I would expect them to drop the price just in time for Halo 5.



Cartmanbrah said:
Dont need too as xbox is doing fine. Only sony fanboys think otherwise. There will be black friday deals like always and i am 100% sure microsoft will take the holidays again just like they always do.

Irony at its finest!



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arcaneguyver said:
Next week? Only if MS either:

a) somehow knew Sony was going to cut the price last Friday.
b) figured Sony would cut the price at some point this season and have a full-blown response ready at the flip of a switch.

Both of those assumptions include another assumption that MS wants to cut the price before the holiday season really sets in. Either way, I imagine a big corporation like MS or Sony needs to do far more than just send out an email to retailers announcing a price cut, probably requiring at least a few weeks of organizing and communication with ad teams. A price cut to coincide with Halo 5 might be in the cards. Or Xbox fans might just have to wait a few weeks later for Brack Friday Bundurus to drop.

I'm not sure how it works, anybody working in retail that could give us an idea?

I would of though that a huge corporation like MS can get the cogs into motion very quickly, even if it meant working flat out over the weekend to make it happen.



SWORDF1SH said:
arcaneguyver said:
Next week? Only if MS either:

a) somehow knew Sony was going to cut the price last Friday.
b) figured Sony would cut the price at some point this season and have a full-blown response ready at the flip of a switch.

Both of those assumptions include another assumption that MS wants to cut the price before the holiday season really sets in. Either way, I imagine a big corporation like MS or Sony needs to do far more than just send out an email to retailers announcing a price cut, probably requiring at least a few weeks of organizing and communication with ad teams. A price cut to coincide with Halo 5 might be in the cards. Or Xbox fans might just have to wait a few weeks later for Brack Friday Bundurus to drop.

I'm not sure how it works, anybody working in retail that could give us an idea?

I would of though that a huge corporation like MS can get the cogs into motion very quickly, even if it meant working flat out over the weekend to make it happen.

Well its microsoft, we know how competitive they are... And im sure they have some type of plan.



SWORDF1SH said:
Cartmanbrah said:
Dont need too as xbox is doing fine. Only sony fanboys think otherwise. There will be black friday deals like always and i am 100% sure microsoft will take the holidays again just like they always do.

Irony at its finest!

*looks at avy*

Clearly shows which side you're on so i am not surprised. 

Anyways, MGS is not tied to Sony/Playstation anymore buddy. 

PS: notice how i did not say MGS was always sony exclusive because i am sure you probably thought about that. 



Dr.Henry_Killinger said:

Next week would be stupid as hell. Any price cut will be for the holidays exclusively, Sony can get away with it because they haven't had a price cut yet, and they've only dropped by 50$.

Meanwhile, Xb1 has already had two price cuts, and they don't have that much wiggle room to beginning with. 

It doesn't make sense, when the chance of beating PS4 anymore is forfeit. At least if they wait till holidays they have a shot at taking Nov and Dec, price cutting to try and win Oct is not only short sighted probably wouldn't help them win anyway.


Yeah I pretty much agree with you on this.   I do expect a pricecut by mid November, but I wouldn't be crazy surprised if they didn't.  I gauruntee they lost a ton of money last holiday winning that Pyrric victory by a hair.   I just doubt they can write that off again.



Prediction for console Lifetime sales:

Wii:100-120 million, PS3:80-110 million, 360:70-100 million

[Prediction Made 11/5/2009]

3DS: 65m, PSV: 22m, Wii U: 18-22m, PS4: 80-120m, X1: 35-55m

I gauruntee the PS5 comes out after only 5-6 years after the launch of the PS4.

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How did the price cut catch M$ off guard when they've been expecting Sony to pull the trigger on a price cut for awhile now?

I don't think M$ needs to drop the price of the X1 just yet, both the 500GB and 1TB models are now the same price as the corresponding PS4 models, and with the holiday bundles / Black Friday deals incoming consumers will be getting more bang for their buck. I think M$ sticks with the current price format through the holidays, and then sometime next year gives the X1 another permanent $50 price drop, most likely when the "slim" models are set for release.



On 2/24/13, MB1025 said:
You know I was always wondering why no one ever used the dollar sign for $ony, but then I realized they have no money so it would be pointless.